Counterpoint

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I haven't bothered with the Whedon Shakespeare. Yet. I have seen all of Dollhouse though I don't think it's come up here. I was just thinking about asking peoples what the heck happened to Joss's humour in Dollhouse. Is it ever funny? Because season 5 Angel is very heavy and very funny. Dollhouse did not enamor me, in fact the best part was the AU bits IMO, though it was fine to watch. But seeing Angel I think there was some kind of humour gap there.

The last thing I remember before jumping ship with Alias was her rather cute almost bf getting dead or betrayed or turned or something. And something happened to her female roomate. Anyway I abandoned it and then Dark Angel came along and I invested in that. Which was much better but also failed to continue after two seasons which was of course WRONG.

That's why I couldn't hack Nikita despite the WONDERFUL Melinda Clarke, reminded me of the Alias conspiracy of the week resets. Besides Melinda was so much richer in character in The O.C. and if I want her in speculative fiction I can just rewatch her in Heart of Gold.

 

[Guy Gardener]

That August Kid (I have to call him that.) was Young Dr Richard Webber when Greys Anatomy did a flashback about Meredith's mommy "Ellis" in the 80s... And now with Ellis and Richard's love child surfacing, I demand another flashback to the 80s starring Sarah Paulson and J. August Richards.

I really should give "Raising the Bar" another go.

I didn't like it becuase I couldn't take Zack Morris from saved by the Bell seriously as a lawyer... But since then I have enjoyed 4 seasons of Franklin and Bash.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

What August kid?

 

[T'Girl]

... lapdancer... strip club ... $140.00 ...

My friend the stripper want to know where this club is.

 

[Guy Gardener]

That August Kid is what I sometimes call J August Richards (Charles Gunn from Angel) because it's what Square deal Sam called Augustoff Gloot in the original Charlie and the chocolate factory... "It didn't work out so well for that August Kid!"

IMDB says that "Gunn" was in 25 episodes of a legal drama called Raising the Bar which starred Mark-Paul Gosselaar.

 

[Guy Gardener]

... lapdancer... strip club ... $140.00 ...

My friend the stripper want to know where this club is.

We are living in different countries that use different currency, and when I have been dragged into strip clubs by friends (thrice that I can recall, maybe 15 years ago. Birthday parties.) all I did was oogle the main stage and resent the money I had to pay the doorman.

Forgive my ignorance.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

AH!

I was invested in Fred/Gunn. I was not happy with its stupidly abrupt ending even though I could see how he was starter bf for Fred recently freed from cave. I am thinking starter bf's don't have to end, there can be mutual growth towards each other. Obviously that would not have happened with Chak because he is a plank but Gunn was full of nuance and potential.

Also after watching all this endless dusting and hacking and sawing and green bloods flowing it is hard to swallow everyone is all WE GOTTA BREAK UP over one albeit human sociopath's death.

 

[Guy Gardener]

They can only kill all the monsters that they have killed because they are not human.

Not killing humans is a small justification, even though the show has leaned towards the fact again and again that monsters are people too.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Leaned toward it? They are best mates with one. They ARE monsters (Angel is). Have they ever outlined which demons have souls and which don't? I don't think so, it's a flimsy badge of goodness at best. Certainly humans do terrible things.

But yes, it's like soldiers in vietnam coming up with slur names so they weren't killing people just like them. I guess Gunn betrayed the program there by being the honest one.

 

[Guy Gardener]

If I have to rewatch Angel. If you accidentally tick me into rewatching Angel, I'm starting at season 2.

Season One is balls.

Season one could have been Star Trek.

Isn't heavy continuity so much more fulfilling?

The Ballerina in the time loop was Summer Glau.

It was the first thing she ever did.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I did not know that.

Season one made me laugh because there I was at the end of it after hating it for so loooong and suddenly I found myself thinking "you know Doyle is actually kind of hot, I think I'm over all my annoyance at his dullard clichedom, I think I like him! I think I like him with Cordelia! I think I'm invested!" And then of course, IMMEDIATELY, he died. This happened so many times to me in Stargate (though never with Weir I hasten to add) that I think it's a teacake curse. That is a very Whedon curse I guess, you suddenly are ready to DO IT and so, death.

 

[Guy Gardener]

This might be a shock.

The actor who played Doyle died in 2002.

We can guess that if he was still alive, that Glenn would have a recurring guest spot on The Big Bang Theory since Johnny dragged the rest of his friends from Roseanne along for the ride.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

ugh, did not know that. 32 years old. Not good.

 

[Guy Gardener]

He bit it on the way up.

That's a good thing.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Stupid idiot.

Okay "stay on target" on the final run. Going in.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I'm hurt.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

NO the guy that od'd is a stupid idiot!

I still have not forgiven John Belushi either.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

AND.. "it is finished".

That was heavy stuff.



Wesley had a huge arc from Buffy to the end, kind of terrible the changes but also believable. I like how fighting evil eventually changes them all.

 

[Guy Gardener]

"Well, personally, I kinda wanna slay the dragon. Let's go to work."

It took me 5 years, to finally forgive David for letting Angel expire, and give Bones a real chance.

A far as Wesley goes...

I don't find his American accent believable.

His new show Finding Carter is Teendrama meets Lifetime Movie but good, where the lead, his co-star is an English girl with a horrible American Accent, which is the opposite of what he did on Buffy/Angel.

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

Alexis Denisof (Wesley) is American.