Countdown #2 reviewed - spoilers I suppose [Definitely Spoilers]
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I think that's probably it. If I remember correctly (and God knows how I'd find the citation, now), I read that Nero and his ship found themselves back in time quite by accident, and the Kelvin, with baby Jim Kirk on board, was a target of opportunity. Basically, the most damage they could do given the situation.
If that's true, they come across the Kelvin and Kirk more or less by accident, my biggest wonder is why Nero was researching Kirk to begin with.
Further, if he wanted to change the future for Romulus, why not go back and rig it so the Empire wins the original war that led to the formation of the Federation in the first place? Why just basically tweak things with Kirk? It would be much more believable for the Klingons to personalize things regarding Kirk. Regarding what we know about Kirk and the Romulans, any good starship captain would've done what Kirk did in "Balance of Terror," and if not Kirk and Spock, then two other gifted officers would've been given the assignment in "The Enterprise Incident." So, big deal.
What makes Nero believe Kirk is the lynchpin to galactic peace?
My running theory about "Future Guy" on ENTERPRISE was that he was a 28th century Romulan trying to change Earth and Klingon history in the 22nd century so that the war with Earth and its allies and future conflicts with the Empire either never happened or had better outcomes...leading to a much stronger Romulan Star Empire by his own time. But B&B never told us who the hell he was.
That's because B&B didn't know who he was, either.
Fair point.
Saddest thing? La-Z-Boy jockeys like myself came up with far better background info on the Temporal Cold War than the millionaire writers and producers of the series did.
If you think about it, what's happening with Spock is entirely.... ummm... logical.
Thanks to many years of Friendly Vulcans, it's easy to forget that Spock is a freak to begin with. Unable to master the Kohlinar, "infected" by human emotion, and, into the TNG era, as batty (by Vulcan standards) as his brother ever was.
Desire for unification is wholly illogical; both races have developed thousands of years of culture independent of each other. What purpose would such a unification serve, that would not be served through simple diplomatic contact? Such a desire is emotional - and worse still, so tangentially emotional that it strays into areas even most humans would find spurious. "America and England should be unified. I will spend the next 100 years of my life making this my sole purpose."
Fruity.
From a Vulcan perspective, it is not what Spock has done in the past, but how he had done it. He's the Vulcan "Uncle Tom" poster boy. He represents a step backward in Vulcan evolution, and in such an insular culture, it is probably considered regrettable that he is seen as Vulcan by the rest of the UFP.
There's one heck of a standalone story in Spock's progress - almost like an Anakin/Vader thing - that nobody's ever going to be smart enough to pen.
And now, if they do, I want my royalties.
Thanks to many years of Friendly Vulcans, it's easy to forget that Spock is a freak to begin with. Unable to master the Kohlinar, "infected" by human emotion, and, into the TNG era, as batty (by Vulcan standards) as his brother ever was.
Desire for unification is wholly illogical; both races have developed thousands of years of culture independent of each other. What purpose would such a unification serve, that would not be served through simple diplomatic contact? Such a desire is emotional - and worse still, so tangentially emotional that it strays into areas even most humans would find spurious. "America and England should be unified. I will spend the next 100 years of my life making this my sole purpose."
Fruity.
From a Vulcan perspective, it is not what Spock has done in the past, but how he had done it. He's the Vulcan "Uncle Tom" poster boy. He represents a step backward in Vulcan evolution, and in such an insular culture, it is probably considered regrettable that he is seen as Vulcan by the rest of the UFP.
There's one heck of a standalone story in Spock's progress - almost like an Anakin/Vader thing - that nobody's ever going to be smart enough to pen.
And now, if they do, I want my royalties.
Fair point.
Saddest thing? La-Z-Boy jockeys like myself came up with far better background info on the Temporal Cold War than the millionaire writers and producers of the series did.
Two trainees and a chimpanzee could do better 'en them.
There's one heck of a standalone story in Spock's progress - almost like an Anakin/Vader thing - that nobody's ever going to be smart enough to pen.
And now, if they do, I want my royalties.
"Where's our motherfuckin' movie check?"-Jay
In the Star Trek Universe, the U.S. and England (and all humans on Earth) are in fact unified under one Earth flag.
Diplomatic relations between Vulcan and Romulus probably will not create a single homogeneous "culture", but through diplomatic relations they could conceivable someday learn enough about each other to live as a single race of people (albeit with different cultures)
Exactly. Vulcan itself suffered from differing cultures and views causing immense violence and bloodshed. Spock originally came to Romulus to introduce his culture to the Romulans, in the hope it would help to reunify their respective peoples, but also he felt that what he knew could help the Romulans with some of their critical issues.
Spock is, has been and will always be an idealist.
Spock is, has been and will always be an idealist.
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