I missed this. I completely agree
Could this be set in the Kelvin timeline?
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I would agree, but provisionally, as both series use the respective movies as back story without being beholden to the exact details. So a version of those events occured in the TV versions of those universes, just not exactly how they appeared in the movies
That's why they wore the shorts under them.
As along as its sexism, bad science and the like being excised I don't see the problem.
Until it isn't. Fiction is mutable. Nothing is written in stone. Star Trek is full of lines than have been ignored, usually for the better.
Too easy to counter.They've ignored and changed so much. It's easier to count thing things that haven't changed, like....
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And the show even references events in the movie (Jackson's location at the start of the series, Colonel O'Neill's son, Ra).I would agree, but provisionally, as both series use the respective movies as back story without being beholden to the exact details. So a version of those events occured in the TV versions of those universes, just not exactly how they appeared in the movies
I fucking hope not. I can't stand the Kelvin timeline.
They did change the name of his son (It was Tyler in the movie) and the spelling of O'Neill though.
Yes, but is not readily apparent.
That's another guy, who has no sense of humor
To be fair, audiences in 1966 never saw Pike being weirded out by the idea of women being on the bridge, because "The Menagerie" thankfully cut that line out. And since "The Cage" isn't actually part of the original run, I personally don't consider it canon.
Though we still kind of get that bit of sexism from a captain in "The Corbomite Maneuver", with Kirk being weirded out over having a "female yeoman".
The Cage is canon. This is first episode on Netflix. Anyway, even with this line of dialogue, this episode is more digestible for the present-day audience than the others. This is the only episode of TOS where women are not a background for three men. For me, this alone makes it a favourite episode of TOS.
That's why I said I don't personally consider it canon.
Which I think is an awful idea, as it hurts watching "The Menagerie" for first time viewers, and was never actually a proper episode for the series like "The Man Trap" or even "Where No Man Has Gone Before". "The Cage" has always been treated as a bonus episode at best. Amazon actually places it at the end of the first season, and it's listed as "bonus" rather than labeled an episode.
Part of why I prefer "The Menagerie" is the ending reedited to have the real Pike joining Vina in a surface level illusion of their healthy selves, as opposed to Vina scampering off with a Pike that's entirely an illusion, which I never thought was a satisfying ending for her.
That might be the reason that motivated the Talosians to act, as well as Pike's injuries.
It's one way of reconciling the same exact footage used in "The Cage" and "The Menagerie", I prefer to just think what we see in "The Menagerie" is all that happened. Pike sees how she actually looks, then she's reverted back to her illusion, then we just see him transported back on board his ship.
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They've definitely based their version of Section 31 on the Kelvinverse one. They have their own black ships loaded with cool tech, their own uniforms and they're basically Starfleet's Intelligence and black ops division. And everyone knows who they are.
Compare to DS9, where nobody knew what section 31 was, they used existing Starfleet ships (the Bellerophon) and explicitly had no headquarters of any kind.
Compare to DS9, where nobody knew what section 31 was, they used existing Starfleet ships (the Bellerophon) and explicitly had no headquarters of any kind.
We’ve never seen S31 in this era before, so so far it isn’t contradicting anything.
No it’s not. How many times do we have to have this thread?
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