Could the Scimitar defeat a Borg cube?

[Tim Thomason]

The Borg are OP. They lie about their abilities all the time. In BOBW, they were (probably) poking at the Federation with a lone cube to see their capabilities (and the Feds were barely capable). In First Contact, they're just there to test out the time vortex. They shrug off the minuscule ships then practically shout at Picard how to "beat" them so they can hitch a ride on his ship to hang out in the past and play around with Data.

The Scimitar should be no challenge in a head-to-head matchup. Unless the Queen has a favored protege onboard, then she might sacrifice some cubes to keep it around for future observation.

 

[James89901]

The Borg are OP. They lie about their abilities all the time. In BOBW, they were (probably) poking at the Federation with a lone cube to see their capabilities (and the Feds were barely capable). In First Contact, they're just there to test out the time vortex. They shrug off the minuscule ships then practically shout at Picard how to "beat" them so they can hitch a ride on his ship to hang out in the past and play around with Data.

The Scimitar should be no challenge in a head-to-head matchup. Unless the Queen has a favored protege onboard, then she might sacrifice some cubes to keep it around for future observation.

Whilst I agree that the Borg were certainly more than capable of destroying the federation whenever they wanted to, it doesn't make much sense to test out their time travel on a world 10s of thousands of lightyears away when the research could be lost considering they only sent one ship. Not to mention their queen joined them. Even though it was a great movie, the premise of it was quite farfetched in the sense that the leader of a massive species like that would almost certainly not risk herself in such a way. Unless she's like King Leonidas I guess haha. But still, it's unlikely she'd risk herself for a science project haha. So I'd say it was a genuine attempt at assimilation. Even though humanity of the past would of given the Borg basically no new technology haha.

When did the Borg practically shout at Picard about how to kill them? Because if you're talking about how he could hear them, I always just thought he seemed caught up in the moment of hearing their voices and that was that. I figured that he knew the weak point in their defences from his knowledge of when he was a Borg. However that then begs the question of why he wouldn't of told star fleet of the weaknesses he knew of on the cubes. Then also maybe all cubes are different! Haha Perhaps you're right and they did accidentally let him in on their conversation haha. Who knows I guess.

Yes the Borg Queen gets quite attached to certain people even though she could pick from billions haha.

 

[Farscape One]

I do think every cube and sphere is different. If "REGENERATION" is any indication, it's very possible ALL Borg ships are different, despite looking almost the same on the outside. The end result of the assimilated ship is a cube or sphere, but the internal layouts probably differ based on whatever species and class ship it was originally.

(Which is the likely explanation why we meet assimilated humans from Wolf 359 in the Nekrit Expanse on VOYAGER. One or more of those 39 ships were assimilated and headed back to Borg space.)

 

[James89901]

I do think every cube and sphere is different. If "REGENERATION" is any indication, it's very possible ALL Borg ships are different, despite looking almost the same on the outside. The end result of the assimilated ship is a cube or sphere, but the internal layouts probably differ based on whatever species and class ship it was originally.

(Which is the likely explanation why we meet assimilated humans from Wolf 359 in the Nekrit Expanse on VOYAGER. One or more of those 39 ships were assimilated and headed back to Borg space.)

Yeah true. It would also create a strategic advantage to have all ships of different layouts. Yet have the appearance of being the same as to provide a false sense of accomplishment if an enemy does destroy one and believes it can do the exact same thing to the next one. Only to find all the systems are in different places.

 

[Farscape One]

Good thought about that being a strategic advantage. Definitely agree there.

To answer the thread question... no. The Scimitar doesn't stand a chance against one cube. No matter how advanced it may be, it's still just one ship against a massive cube. A sphere... the odds are better, but I still give it to the Borg. Basically for one reason.

During battle, the Borg constantly fix as it gets attacked. Thousands of drones rebuilding at once. No repair crew on any ship can match the Borg's effective self-repair like that. As an example, look at the cube the Enterprise fired at in "Q Who". You can physically see it regenerating damage while at high warp, chasing and catching them. And that was the first time they encounter a Starfleet ship.

That was actually one thing that always bothered me about VOYAGER and I can never forgive them for... they survived the Borg WAY too often. Even having Seven and her knowledge, it shouldn't have been clean getaways so often.

At best, they should have survived 3 encounters... the same amount the Enterprise-D did. And one of those was because of Q!

Voyager survived them in "SCORPION", "DRONE", "DARK FRONTIER", "COLLECTIVE", "CHILD'S PLAY", "UNIMATRIX ZERO" (TWO different battles), "Q2" (though that was a quick Q junior fame), and "ENDGAME". (The finale can be forgiven only because of the future tech that was brought in.) Even taking out the Q and finale mulligans, that's more than DOUBLE the Enterprise, and they were not as powerful or large.

VOYAGER defanged the Borg badly. ENTERPRISE brought back some of the terror and danger of the Borg, though the radiation solution for Phlox was my one gripe.

 

[FederationHistorian]

The Scimitar would take too long to arm the Thaleron weapon, which would give them a decisive win over the Borg if the used it.

The Borg cube take this hands down.

 

[James89901]

Good thought about that being a strategic advantage. Definitely agree there.

To answer the thread question... no. The Scimitar doesn't stand a chance against one cube. No matter how advanced it may be, it's still just one ship against a massive cube. A sphere... the odds are better, but I still give it to the Borg. Basically for one reason.

During battle, the Borg constantly fix as it gets attacked. Thousands of drones rebuilding at once. No repair crew on any ship can match the Borg's effective self-repair like that. As an example, look at the cube the Enterprise fired at in "Q Who". You can physically see it regenerating damage while at high warp, chasing and catching them. And that was the first time they encounter a Starfleet ship.

That was actually one thing that always bothered me about VOYAGER and I can never forgive them for... they survived the Borg WAY too often. Even having Seven and her knowledge, it shouldn't have been clean getaways so often.

At best, they should have survived 3 encounters... the same amount the Enterprise-D did. And one of those was because of Q!

Voyager survived them in "SCORPION", "DRONE", "DARK FRONTIER", "COLLECTIVE", "CHILD'S PLAY", "UNIMATRIX ZERO" (TWO different battles), "Q2" (though that was a quick Q junior fame), and "ENDGAME". (The finale can be forgiven only because of the future tech that was brought in.) Even taking out the Q and finale mulligans, that's more than DOUBLE the Enterprise, and they were not as powerful or large.

VOYAGER defanged the Borg badly. ENTERPRISE brought back some of the terror and danger of the Borg, though the radiation solution for Phlox was my one gripe.

Yes I totally agree that the show let voyager play cat and mouse with the Borg way too often and they certainly didn't seem as well equipped to handle them as the enterprise D was.

The Borg should always of been an extremely feared and mysterious species. However I'm also torn, because I do enjoy the Borg so much. So I can see the conundrum that the Voyager writers might of been in if they wanted to flesh out the Borg species and introduce us more to them. I mean I'm not sure what else they could of done other than make Voyager have multiple close encounters with them.

I am overall glad that there are a lot of Borg episodes in Voyager.

Also I think "Drone" should be considered in the same context as "endgame" because future tech once again was used to defeat them.

I think the main difference with enterprise D and the Scimitar is that there is probably about 20-30 years worth of equivalent Starfleet technological development between the two ships. Meaning that the Scimitar is about 20-30 years ahead of the defensive and offensive capabilities of the Enterprise D. I say this because it clearly can annihilate the enterprise E, which was constructed about 20 years (something like that) after the D was made. So it's even well above that in terms of technology.

I find this to be relevant considering that future Janeway is only 23 years into the future and yet she had shielding and weapons that could take our a whole Borg fleet. So the Scimitar, being well beyond the enterprise E at a time of about 20 years before these weapons and shields are developed for starfleet (maybe sooner and we just didn't know about them until endgame?), then it's quite possible that the Scimitar was about only 10 years worth of tech behind the endgame super voyager. Therefore probably making it quite an even fight.

However I feel that the Voyager cubes are different than in TNG. TNG seemed to make the cubes way more powerful. So it's difficult to get a guage on which exact cube the Scimitar should be compared against. Maybe a mixture of them all? Haha Something between the TNG/FC cubes and the Voyager cubes.

 

[James89901]

The Scimitar would take too long to arm the Thaleron weapon, which would give them a decisive win over the Borg if the used it.

The Borg cube take this hands down.

Yes but read my first paragraph.

 

[James89901]

The Scimitar would take too long to arm the Thaleron weapon, which would give them a decisive win over the Borg if the used it.

The Borg cube take this hands down.

Oh, also if you want to include the thalaron weapon, perhaps consider it could be deployed while the ship is cloaked and just do a surprise attack.

The Scimitar could theoretically destroy the entire Borg species as long as the Borg have not encountered a species that had significant research into thalaron radiation. The Borg don't create anything by themselves. The Borg would first need to know what they are adapting their shields against before they can defend against this particular weapon and if they had never had any experience with it before, then they probably couldn't defend against it. Just like how the federation couldn't.

We can assume the Borg don't have thalaron radiation because otherwise they would of used it on species 8472. Because why wouldn't they? It would destroy them and their ships instantly.

So as long as the Scimitar can remain undetected in it's cloak (which is highly likely as long as it doesn't make contact beforehand), then it could take out a whole unimatrix quite easily it would seem. But this is why I left it out of the equation here. It's just too OP.

 

[Haggis and tatties]

Borg for the win no problem.