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Could the Scimitar defeat a Borg cube?

James89901

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Assuming the captain of the Scimitar isn't an overconfident/grandstanding young man haha. Because we all know it was game over for the enterprise if Shinzon hadn't of wasted any time and just finished the enterprise quickly.

Let's just say that both ships operate with as much tactical efficiency as possible. Also the thalaron beam will have to be ruled out as well, because that's obviously an "I win" button even against the Death Star haha.

It took a huge fleet of federation ships to take down that cube in FC, and even then they still needed the inside information provided by Picard to get the job done. I imagine it would take a similar amount of ships to destroy the Scimitar if it was operating a lot more effectively than when Shinzon commanded it. Especially considering it has such advanced cloaking technology. It'd take a while for the federation fleet to even land a hit. They'd have to bring it fully or partially out of cloak to then start the actual fight, and by that time quite a few of their ships would of been killed off probably.

Who do you guys think would win? Borg cube has a more brute offensive style to is and seems to have a sort of methodical wearing down of the enemy ship until it destroys them. The scimitar on the other hand is extremely evasive and has (although not fully utilised in nemesis) an enormous possible damage output. 52 disruptor banks, 27 photon torpedo bays as Mr Worf says. It's weapons array could take out multiple ships in an instant. Also it's dual shielding. Now I don't imagine it's hull or shielding to be as powerful as a Borg cube's is, even with its secondary shields. I just don't imagine seeing it take the beating the cube did in FC. So that's where it's evasiveness and damage output balance out that part of the fight.

I was actually thinking for a while that the Scimitar would win. Yet then I thought that even it's damage output would probably not be enough verses the cube considering that the damage output of the federation fleet was probably equal or greater than what the Scimitar could apply and yet the fleet still basically lost that fight if not for Picard. So I think once the cube located the Scimitar and exposed it from it's cloak. It would then be able to strip it of its shields and destroy it before the Scimitar could inflict enough damage to the cube.

I suppose it all comes down to if the cube can locate the Scimitar through it's cloak in time before the damage gets too great for the cube to handle. Yet even with that said, it seems the FC cube was in little trouble for almost that entire fight with the federation fleet.
 
Shinzon would have been beamed out and assimillated. With Shinzon of Borg the Borg would have prevailed.
 
Even with Shinzon out of the equation the Borg would desperately try to locate Scimitar ASAP. Failing to assimiliate the Thalaran weapon they would try to destroy it. Crippled Borg vessels and Scimitar would be the result. But the Borld will adapt eventually. They will find a defense against the Thalaron weapon.
 
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Even with Shinzon out of the equation the Borg would desperately try to locate Scimitar ASAP. Failing to assimiliate the Thalaran weapon they would try to destroy it. Crippled Borg vessels and Scimitar would be the result. But the Borld will adapt eventually. They will find a defense against the Thalaron weapon.

Now you didn't read the second paragraph! Haha

I did end up agreeing with that result though. Borg cube would probably win eventually.
 
Perhaps the Borg have no problem detecting ships under cloak (which would significantly lower the Scimitar's defenses). Was there ever an instance of a ship successfully hiding from the Borg via cloak? (I know absence of evidence is not evidence, but just curious.)
 
Perhaps the Borg have no problem detecting ships under cloak (which would significantly lower the Scimitar's defenses). Was there ever an instance of a ship successfully hiding from the Borg via cloak? (I know absence of evidence is not evidence, but just curious.)

Good question.

I think it's also noteworthy that even if someone does display evidence of the Borg tracking a cloaked ship, then that type of ship and the culture it originates from should be analysed.

The Simitar supposedly had a far superior cloaking field compared to other ships the enterprise had encountered. It's not said outright, but Geordi is clearly extremely impressed by it when he is attempting to track it. That level of surprise he expresses would only come about if he had previous experience of tracking cloaked ships and in fact was successful in doing so. It's clear that he has used all of his "magic" to try and track the Simitar and yet still failed.

A bird of prey's cloaking field has been shown in multiple instances to have position revealing elements to its design. The neutrino output in UC. The exhaust tracking also in UC. The defective plasma coil variant in GEN (which could in theory be used to bring the ship out of cloak or at the very least detect it, even though it was not done in the movie).

So a bird of prey of any of these designs would be easily revealed even to the enterprise E most likely. Therefore their cloaking would pose no tactical advantage against the Borg for long at all. The Simitar might not experience such a problem if it's cloak is good enough.
 
Good question.

I think it's also noteworthy that even if someone does display evidence of the Borg tracking a cloaked ship, then that type of ship and the culture it originates from should be analysed.

The Simitar supposedly had a far superior cloaking field compared to other ships the enterprise had encountered. It's not said outright, but Geordi is clearly extremely impressed by it when he is attempting to track it. That level of surprise he expresses would only come about if he had previous experience of tracking cloaked ships and in fact was successful in doing so. It's clear that he has used all of his "magic" to try and track the Simitar and yet still failed.

A bird of prey's cloaking field has been shown in multiple instances to have position revealing elements to its design. The neutrino output in UC. The exhaust tracking also in UC. The defective plasma coil variant in GEN (which could in theory be used to bring the ship out of cloak or at the very least detect it, even though it was not done in the movie).

So a bird of prey of any of these designs would be easily revealed even to the enterprise E most likely. Therefore their cloaking would pose no tactical advantage against the Borg for long at all. The Simitar might not experience such a problem if it's cloak is good enough.

Maybe Gordie does say it outright actually haha. I can't remember.
 
Perhaps the Borg have no problem detecting ships under cloak (which would significantly lower the Scimitar's defenses). Was there ever an instance of a ship successfully hiding from the Borg via cloak? (I know absence of evidence is not evidence, but just curious.)
"Dark Frontier" used sensor masking with success until the Queen realised who it was whi had boarded them and knew what to look for.
 
And come to think of it, didn't Admiral Janeway cloak or mask her shuttle in Endgame? Albeit with future tech, but still...
 
"Dark Frontier" used sensor masking with success until the Queen realised who it was whi had boarded them and knew what to look for.
And come to think of it, didn't Admiral Janeway cloak or mask her shuttle in Endgame? Albeit with future tech, but still...

I don't remember Janeway ever cloaking in endgame? Maybe I'm wrong. She did steak Klingon technology to open the temporal gateway to the past though. Maybe that's what you're thinking of?

Yes they did mask themselves from the Borg in that episode using Seven's parents technology. So maybe we should assume that the pinnacle of Romulan cloaking technology would outdo anything that a federation family duo could come up with? The parents had the advantage of knowing the Borg technology in and out. So they could develop a device specifically suited to evading the Borg. Whereas Romulan cloak is more designed for overall evasion which attempts to be prepared for any scenario.

I think it's more likely that even though the Romulans had the greater technological challenge, their massive resources and billions of population to draw from, would almost certainly of prevailed over only a group of 2 when it comes to who's evasion technology is best.
 
It's been a long time since I've seen it, I could be wrong. I thought the Admiral parked her shuttle right up on the Borg's doorstep and they didn't detect her?

Maybe their radar was jammed....

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It's been a long time since I've seen it, I could be wrong. I thought the Admiral parked her shuttle right up on the Borg's doorstep and they didn't detect her?

Oh that does sound very familiar actually. Maybe that happened towards the end when she sacrificed herself?
 
The Scimitar wouldn't stand a chance, without the thalaron weapon all that's left are a bunch of unimpressive standard weapons the borg have encountered countless times before. The Scimitar's cloak is impressive but that alone doesn't win a fight, every time they fire the cloak is partially lifted as was seen in Nemesis and the scimitar's weapons becoming ineffective after a few shots means the borg can lean back and analyze the shit out of the data they collected while being fired at.
 
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