presumably Koord, at least, or else why be on Nimbus III at all? although the colony's intent seems to have been sabotaged...
Could Star Trek V been saved?
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Korrd could have been sent there as punishment, to sideline him, etc.
Agreed. Of all the arguments you can make against TFF, Luckinbill is definitely not one of them. I think he gave an excellent performance. I don't think Connery would have pulled it off as well. It's just not his type of role, IMHO.
I remember watching ST 5 shortly after it came out and was .... very disappointed compared to the previous few entries. But..... time has changed that for sure. After many other Trek films (and some Star Wars) that have let me down far more (i'm looking at you Into Darkness and SW Prequels) , this film is pretty damn decent. Minus some weak special effects it was pretty well crafted. Most importantly its heart was in the right place. After my re-watch I decided to take a stab at a Fanedit of it (i've done several others previously but not Star Trek yet). If anyone would like to give it a look send me a PM i'm sure you will find it an interesting watch as it seems pretty unique to what i've seen out there.
About how many minutes did you cut out? I've seen some people talk about re-edits that were pretty drastic.
Thanks!
Mine is 1hr 32 minutes so about 15 minutes. Plot is fully intact minus the thread about Kirk knowing he would die alone (which I think was a bit strange). Forgot to give kudos to Jerry Goldsmith for knocking the score out of the park and the DP for a well shot film. Otherwise I just cut moments that were not consequential to the plot that had pushed humor or over the top elements. So its tone is closer to 6 (which I love).
Interesting
I did a cut years ago using a LaserDisc to VHS.
I cut out the fan dance, cat fight, jet boots in turbo shaft, Scott hitting his head, Scott and Uhura in sickbay, Sulu and Chekov lost and the malfunctioning door and log device. If I had the know how I would have removed the computer voice slurring stuff as well.
I left intact all the serious parts.
It was almost exactly 100 minutes.
I did a cut years ago using a LaserDisc to VHS.
I cut out the fan dance, cat fight, jet boots in turbo shaft, Scott hitting his head, Scott and Uhura in sickbay, Sulu and Chekov lost and the malfunctioning door and log device. If I had the know how I would have removed the computer voice slurring stuff as well.
I left intact all the serious parts.
It was almost exactly 100 minutes.
Mine has most of those cut but the malfunctioning door and log device are left in (I couldn't cut Shatners daughter I know he would be disappointed). Bunch of other changes / edits fixes including a very modified opener, no Spock in gravity boots in the film, and fixed special effects for the Klingon satellite target practice. If anyone on here who has done VFX wants to collaborate with this cut i'd love to hear from you - there are a few more shots i'd like to swap out.
Fixed that for you.
Your mileage may vary. I think a longer film with more emphasis on the psychology of the ambassadors could have been fun. And lose the centre of the universe bull. It's one example of the degrading approach to Trek tech that has led us to stories with magical Federation technology. I much prefer sound engineering principles so that part of the human challenge is working within them. The need for instant gratification is definitely something that needs to be challenged in the narrative. Unjustified promotions and technology that solves problems with a click of the finger is too often used to make way for character drama instead of being part of the character drama. This is a theme that could have been explored.
I think Saavik would have been a good addition here. Flashbacks to her upbringing would have been a great way to explore her Romulan heritage.
I don't mind the humour in the movie but I do feel that Shatner's Kirk needs a director to reign him in a bit. Some of the dialogue was too heavy-handed and needed another once-over.
I think Saavik would have been a good addition here. Flashbacks to her upbringing would have been a great way to explore her Romulan heritage.
I don't mind the humour in the movie but I do feel that Shatner's Kirk needs a director to reign him in a bit. Some of the dialogue was too heavy-handed and needed another once-over.
Flashbacks are rarely any damned good.
There were 3 writers on the film, each with different voices. In particular David Lauhery, from what I understand, was brought in at the studios behest to inject 'humor' into the script as audiences loved the gags in ST 4. I sure did too. But the only reason the humor worked in ST4 was because of the context of the characters being trapped 300 years before their births and not understanding the customs and technology at the time. It felt organic and real. And it worked thanks to from what I understand rewrites by Nick Meyer (once again saving the day for Trek). But for 5 much of the humor was forced and made fans uncomfortable. A great example of this was Scotty hitting his head on his own ship right after saying 'I know every inch of this ship'. Ugggg..... And then theres Kirk falling down El Capitan after saying 'I fully understand the gravity of the situation'. Even the Original Series was never that outright goofy. That stuff belongs in 'Three's Company' , not cerebral Sci-fi. Thats why removing items like them from the film only benefits from it as they were studio injected junk.
Star Trek humor works best when it's character based. Most of TVH works because of that. The best jokes in TSFS (the film that really brought humor back) are directly from character. TFF gives us gags and out of character bits, and that's where the humor fails. The same with TUC. A potentially dark and dramatic political thriller is continuously undercut by out of character gags and meta humor.
Once Paramount decided jokes were the secret sauce, the films suffered. Instead of letting them be what they should have been, they cut them off at the knees.
The dialog in TFF though was frequently cliched and obvious. The script needed at the very least a dialog polish.
Once Paramount decided jokes were the secret sauce, the films suffered. Instead of letting them be what they should have been, they cut them off at the knees.
The dialog in TFF though was frequently cliched and obvious. The script needed at the very least a dialog polish.
Well, there's this from TWOK:
McCOY: Go? Where are we going?
KIRK: Where they went.
McCOY: Suppose they went nowhere.
KIRK: Then this'll be your big chance to get away from it all.
I thought the humor in "I, Mudd" was the show going for very broad, big humor and/but that worked, acknowledged/enjoyed that it was very goofy but made it still seem in-character enough (probably one or two moments felt like going too far but still not real bad).
I thought particularly Spock's "I do not believe you realize the gravity of your situation" felt quite in character.
They weren't all bad or out of character.
I've always had a soft spot for Star Trek V. I read the novelization before I saw the movie, if I recall, and I really liked the novelization, and it made the film more tolerable than it did for many it appears. But how would I save Star Trek V?
-Needed a bigger special effects budget.
-Use the Romulans instead of the Klingons as secondary antagonists. I think the newness of movie-era Romulan starships and uniforms would've been something to excite fans.
-Then again, I might have had both the Romulans and Klingons send starships to make things more tense and unpredictable. For the Klingons I would've been looking to bring back one of the Original Series' Klingons.
-Sybok being Spock's surprise brother wasn't a dealbreaker for me, though I get how it could rankle. A scene or two, even if a flashback, between Spock and Sybok, could've better established their dynamic.
-There might not have been the time, but it would've been nice to see the pain Sybok took away from the other major Enterprise characters.
-Needed a bigger special effects budget.
-Use the Romulans instead of the Klingons as secondary antagonists. I think the newness of movie-era Romulan starships and uniforms would've been something to excite fans.
-Then again, I might have had both the Romulans and Klingons send starships to make things more tense and unpredictable. For the Klingons I would've been looking to bring back one of the Original Series' Klingons.
-Sybok being Spock's surprise brother wasn't a dealbreaker for me, though I get how it could rankle. A scene or two, even if a flashback, between Spock and Sybok, could've better established their dynamic.
-There might not have been the time, but it would've been nice to see the pain Sybok took away from the other major Enterprise characters.
I'm not sure they had the budget to build a new Romulan ship model. But they could easily have reused the k'T'inga and called it a Romulan ship a la "The Enterprise Incident."
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