Could Kirk get a better ending even w/out Shatner?(spoilers)

[VOODOOXI]

Anybody else out there think that Kirk will get a better ending (or at least an open ended ending) even if William Shatner is not cast in the film?

If the rumors about history being changed as well as alternate time lines prove to be correct, doesn't it make sense that Kirk could be given (as well as every other character) a different ending?

If that is the case there really would not be a need (although I would still like to see it)for Shatner to be in the film. Even w/out Shatner being in the film all the Kirk fans who felt he was given a poor ending could still walk away happy.

I really think this film is going to turn the ST universe on it's ear (in a good way)and Kirk's horrible demise stands a decent chance of being altered as a consequence.

ps: I still think there is a chance Shatner gets some type of cameo + walks off into the sunset on a happy note.

 

[starburst]

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I can see this, if they set an altered timeline so in the movie the rest of how Trek has been doesnt necessarily happen the same way then Kirk could have a different fate. He could die heroically saving Earth from the bad guys or die in bed an old man with his grandchildren

 

[Zeppster]

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I haven't seen anything to say this movie takes place in an alternate timeline outside of rumor.

 

[VOODOOXI]

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Zeppster said:
I haven't seen anything to say this movie takes place in an alternate timeline outside of rumor.

These rumors come from several legitimate sources that pretty much confirm each other.

 

[archeryguy1701]

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I'm pretty sure Kirk's ultimate demise will stay exactly the same, especially if there is no Shatner.

 

[StarMan]

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Zeppster said:
I haven't seen anything to say this movie takes place in an alternate timeline outside of rumor.

Well, the only rumor I've seen is from Screenrant stating we will *see* an alternate timeline, but it's wording doesn't lead me to believe this will be the timeline that is retained (much like Earth seen post-assimilation at the beginning of First Contact).

 

[Tamek]

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starburst said:
I can see this, if they set an altered timeline so in the movie the rest of how Trek has been doesnt necessarily happen the same way then Kirk could have a different fate. He could die heroically saving Earth from the bad guys or die in bed an old man with his grandchildren

Or get hit by a bus when he was 19

 

[gastrof]

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Another possibility.

At the end of the film, older Spock returns to his time, and his computer says "You have an incoming message".

He asks the source.

The reply?

"James T. Kirk."

 

[FabiusMaximus]

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gastrof said:
Another possibility.

At the end of the film, older Spock returns to his time, and his computer says "You have an incoming message".

He asks the source.

The reply?

"James T. Kirk."

or...

Spock returns to the 24th century in new alternate universe. Most is as it was except the memorial that was dedicated to his friend JTK (and was seen at film's beginning) is now missing. Spock stares at the place on the wall. A shadow from behind. He turns. Raises an eyebrow. Fade to black.

 

[Tamek]

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^ He'd have to smile like in "Amok Time"

 

[starburst]

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Zeppster said:
I haven't seen anything to say this movie takes place in an alternate timeline outside of rumor.

Except this thread from the start is assuming an altered timeline from the rumours, so its theory on this impacting his death.

 

[Franklin]

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Tamek said:

starburst said:
I can see this, if they set an altered timeline so in the movie the rest of how Trek has been doesnt necessarily happen the same way then Kirk could have a different fate. He could die heroically saving Earth from the bad guys or die in bed an old man with his grandchildren

Or get hit by a bus when he was 19

Exactly. If the timeline is altered at all, it's possible that Spock himself could meet a different fate and not be alive in the 24th century. [Create paradox here.]

If the movie messes around with alternate timelines, it seems it would've been possible to write Shatner as Kirk in there somewhere. As it is, Abrams et al keep saying that Shatner isn't in it for all points and purposes because they could find no use for his Kirk.
For that reason alone, I believe whatever happens, in the end, the timeline as we know it stays 99.44% intact. If anything, the rumors indicate Spock prevents Kirk from a premature death, thus allowing him to have his heroic career.

 

[Captain59]

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FabiusMaximus said:

gastrof said:
Another possibility.

At the end of the film, older Spock returns to his time, and his computer says "You have an incoming message".

He asks the source.

The reply?

"James T. Kirk."

or...

Spock returns to the 24th century in new alternate universe. Most is as it was except the memorial that was dedicated to his friend JTK (and was seen at film's beginning) is now missing. Spock stares at the place on the wall. A shadow from behind. He turns. Raises an eyebrow. Fade to black.

I like that!

 

[starburst]

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Theres basically 2 ways this will go

1. The altered timeline remains and any following films follow this timeline meaning later events may not play out the same way and Kirk may not be 'killed' on the Enterprise-B and end up in the Nexus...dies of old age or other means - dies in 23rd not 24th century

2. Timeline is restored, Kirk dies either in 24th Century or avoids being killed on Enterprise-B so dies in the 23rd

Theres obviously alot of inbetween variations depending on how the timeline is affected such as Enterprise D not going to Veridian III, Enterprise B not saving Soran, being equiped with Photon torpedos, being launched early, being launched late, not being the only ship in the quadrant, Harriman (or another Captain) doing Kirks deflector bit or mayb there never being an Enterprise B in the first place.

We need some more facts about the story and its affect on the future before we can narrow down what may or may happen

 

[gobstopper]

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Kirk's death will not be part of the movie. :thumbsup:

 

[starburst]

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If theres no risk of him dying it wont be fun, I think they are going to set a new timeline where for instance Kirk wont get trapped in the Nexus and Khan doesnt attack Enterprise meaning Spock dies.

Need to have that risk involved

 

[VOODOOXI]

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Something radical is clearly going to happen. While I don't think that this film is going to be a re-boot in the traditional sense. I do think we will essentially start over in an alternate time line.

The alt universe seems to kill two birds with one stone.
It allows:

A)For the ST universe we have known for 40 years to stand as is.
B)An alternate time frame allows for the creative team to not be tied to canon and we won't know any of the characters (including Kirk's) fate.

Perhaps it will be revealed that there are an infinite number of universes that have an infinite number of outcomes for the characters?

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

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FabiusMaximus said:

gastrof said:
Another possibility.

At the end of the film, older Spock returns to his time, and his computer says "You have an incoming message".

He asks the source.

The reply?

"James T. Kirk."

or...

Spock returns to the 24th century in new alternate universe. Most is as it was except the memorial that was dedicated to his friend JTK (and was seen at film's beginning) is now missing. Spock stares at the place on the wall. A shadow from behind. He turns. Raises an eyebrow. Fade to black.

I like these...but I wonder: will Star Trek XII (if there ever is a ST:XII) pick up where this leaves off and explain what happened, or will ST:XII offer no explanation or mention of the 24th century Spock/Kirk, leaving only our imaginations to speculate about the events at the end of ST:XI.

If it were up to me, I'd bring back Kirk in some way similar to the suggestions above, then never explain what happened or mention it again in possible sequels. I personally like movies that let me interpret some things for myself and don't hand me everything on a silver platter.

Of course the "Bring Back Shatner" group would claim that ST:XII would be the perfect opportunity to once again feature Shatner as Kirk, since he is no longer dead.

 

[FlyingTigress]

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Tamek said:

starburst said:
I can see this, if they set an altered timeline so in the movie the rest of how Trek has been doesnt necessarily happen the same way then Kirk could have a different fate. He could die heroically saving Earth from the bad guys or die in bed an old man with his grandchildren

Or get hit by a bus when he was 19

Shot by a jealous husband.

 

[VOODOOXI]

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Jackson Roy Kirk:

I don't think the BBK people would even care if Shatner is in ST XII as long as Kirk is given a good ending (could be a 10 second cameo) in ST XI.

It's not really even about Shatner. It's about the terrible ending the Kirk character was given in Generations.