Control became Zora????

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  1. F. King Daniel

    F. King Daniel Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I just read that the recent virtual con table read of the Disco S2 finale included a cut line referencing "the Zora program" as a continuation of the Control AI.

    So I'm guessing they didn't eradicate Control after all...
     
  2. Timo

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    That'd be a really small universe, considering how generic and commonplace AI is in the Trek world.

    Then again, AI isn't all that in-your-face in that particular segment of the Trek universe that involves our Starfleet employees and their colonist/homebody next-of-kin. Perhaps in the 23rd century, it saw relatively little use, and thus basically everybody from S31 to Daystrom to Pizza Hut used the same basic software for their needs, and every starship had a little Control built in, rather than some other, distinct type of AI.

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  3. The Wormhole

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    If Control is Zora then Control sure gets a hell of a lot friendlier over the centuries.
     
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  4. Awesome Possum

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    I got the feeling that Zora was partially created from the memories of Airiam and the sphere data.
     
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    Discovery will be practically ancient in its new future, so it’ll need something special to save it from being turned into scrap metal. I guess that special something is a AI personality... maybe :shrug:
     
  6. The Wormhole

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    My theory up until now had been that Zora was a byproduct of the sphere data merging with the ship's computer, which we sort of see hints to in the finale with the sphere data taking control of the ship's systems in an act of self-preservation. And I can accept tossing Airiam into the mix, but Control? No, I don't see that at all.
     
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  7. Agony_Boothb

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    I think the sphere data, in addition to becoming Zora, is going to be important to Discovery's survival in the 32nd century. I think it's going to also enhance Discovery's shields and weaponry and other systems with knowledge it gleaned over the course of it's 100,000 years roaming the cosmos. Basically countering the advanced technology of the future with the advanced technology of the ancient past.
     
  8. Lord Garth

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    Apparently they haven't been able to duplicate the Spore Drive even in the 32nd Century. So no matter how fast ships are, Discovery can still just spore-jump away.

    I think they (whoever "they" are) might not want to scrap Discovery because, to them, it represents the Federation in its prime. It's a symbol of a better time.
     
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  9. The Wormhole

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    They don't need spore drive in the 32nd century. They have warp 10 and a religious cult who believe evolving into a salamander is the true meaning of life.
     
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  10. Lord Garth

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    No wonder the Federation fell into the Dark Ages.
     
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  11. Tim Thomason

    Tim Thomason Commodore Commodore

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    Control was just a threat assessment AI that boringly decided human(oid)ity was the threat. If it got more information, via the sphere data or whatever, it might reassess it's self-programming and decide it'd rather cosplay as Audrey Hepburn instead.

    Season 2 would've ended up much less dramatically if they just left well enough alone.
     
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    If a pristine Model T just showed up in my driveway after 100 years of disappearance, I'm probably not going to scrap it.
     
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  13. Mr. Laser Beam

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    I highly doubt Control and Zora have anything to do with each other. I literally don't see how they could.
     
  14. Awesome Possum

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    I doubt Control has anything to do with her existence. I figure Airiam had something to do with it, given that Zora has taken on the identity of a female who is attracted to men. We saw in her memories that Airiam had a husband or boyfriend (I can’t remember if they said for sure). It’s not so much that it was her inside Zora, but the basic elements of her identity influenced her development. Being left alone for 1,000 years probably contributed a good bit to that too. I doubt we’ll even see Zora show up in season three unless it’s another Short Trek style story. She exists because they left the computer running for 1,000 years and through some process of self correction and improvement developed into something else. She still seems to be driven by her base programming, since she refuses to move the ship because she’s waiting for the crew, but it may be on the level of how humans are sort of programmed to behave certain ways and can’t go outside them even if we want to.
     
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  15. F. King Daniel

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    Yep, it was my impression to that Zora was the evolution of the Sphere data merging with Discovery in S2. That's why it being a byproduct of Control seemed so strange. Glad the line was cut.
     
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  16. Blooded

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    I think, following the end of the season, it appeared very likely that Zora was indeed the sphere data having merged with the ships computer. That was my takeaway, anyway. And, I think that’s pretty damn cool, to be honest.

    Quite why the crew abandon Discovery eventually, but don’t destroy it, starts to make a bit more sense if we assume that the sphere data will continue to play a big role. For one, we’ve seen that they weren’t able to self-destruct her, so that would be off the table later, too. And, given the history that is contained in the data, I think that as Starfleet officers they would simply look to preserve that information rather than destroy it, if they could ensure no one else could access it for nefarious means. For me, that would certainly fit with what we saw in Calypso.

    It will be interesting to see if they find a way to work around what we saw, in Calypso. Will the crew come back, after the events of that short (and the joy of time travel), or is the Disco crews story over with that vessel exactly as was described in that Short Treks? I’d love to see them get creative, and it’s very interesting to be so early into a Trek show and currently know (or feel like we know) the fate of the ship.
     
  17. Mr. Laser Beam

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    I'm starting to suspect that "Calypso" was produced long before the showrunners had any idea how DSC season 2 would eventually turn out.
     
  18. DigificWriter

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    You would be wrong.

    Season 2 of Discovery was written months before Short Treks was conceptualized and greenlit.