Yes, that's right. But I can't see how the the latter is possible considering 2012 was explicitly stated (unless I'm not remembering correctly).
Continuity Error in Blink?
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Well, it's only said by the Doctor at the beginning when it's just him and Rose, as far as I remember. He could've missed his landing, like in "Aliens of London." I'm sure the Dalek had been sending out a distress signal since it had crashed on Earth, so it wouldn't be drawing the Doctor specifically to a single year.
I'm just playing devil's advocate, though. I see no problem with van Statten being from a post-Stolen Earth world. I've hand-waved worse.
I'm just playing devil's advocate, though. I see no problem with van Statten being from a post-Stolen Earth world. I've hand-waved worse.
That's what I go with. It's very true we saw Daleks only in Cardiff and London and in UNIT HQ. There's nothing to say they landed worldwide. And van Statten could easily have been in his bunker oblivious to the whole thing anyway!
It's pretty inconcievable that in todays media savvy world there was no shaky cameraphone footage of Daleks taken either during Doomsday or The Stolen Earth, and assuming there was it's equally inconcievable that the man who 'owns' the internet and is interested in alien life forms wouldn't have seen it.
Better to just assume the timeline shifted, although what that means for Adam's hole in the head is anyone's guess
Better to just assume the timeline shifted, although what that means for Adam's hole in the head is anyone's guess
Except that the Doctor makes a big deal over the fact that the Master could only take the TARDIS back eighteen months at most from where they are-- "the last place the TARDIS landed". And, indeed, he doesn't go eighteen months before the "Utopia" teaser, he goes eighteen months before "The Sound of Drums".
Yeah, but the TARDIS had just crossed 100,000,000,000,000 years -- I think five months is close enough that we can fudge it a bit.
But like I said-- there's a lot of wiggle-room, and you can construct a compelling argument for anything between February and November 2008! Anything you say, though, requires you to accept some facts/implications and ignore some others.
Fair enough.
"Soooo.... Doctor?"
"Yeah?"
"What's that you were saying about it being 2012?"
"What d'ya mean?"
"Well, it's just that it's actually 2007."
"... Listen, you try steering a transtemporal capsule across eons of time and space!"
"Doctor, all I'm sayin' is, you promised me to travel anywhere in history."
"That's right."
"But this is twice now you've parked in the wrong year. Didn't you ever learn to steer this thing in Time Lord School? Sit a test or somethin'?"
"Yes, I did, in fact!"
"Oh really?"
"Yep."
"And....?"
"And what?"
"Did you pass?"
"Well, that depends on what you mean by pass..."
"Are you even supposed to operate this thing alone?"
"Hush, you."
I believe that that is a reference to the technicalities of British terminology. Great Britain is an island, not a political entity; as such there is no more a Prime Minister of Great Britain, legally-speaking, than there is a President of Long Island. Gordon Brown, rather, is the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, not the Prime Minister of Great Britain.
Hmm. I got a totally different sense -- between the Daleks rounding people up in London, the invasion of New York, and the Daleks flying around in the woods outside Nuremberg, I figured that the Daleks were, at the very least, to be found in every major population center.
In this day and age? There's always someone taking lots of photos.
Fair enough -- it's all a matter of interpretation. But I choose to reinterpret "Dalek" by presuming that the Doctor got the date wrong again and the TARDIS had actually landed in 2008 or thereabouts.
fail.
Great Britain is a seperate political entity since it consists of England, Scotland and Wales. hence why we compete at the Olympics and in other sports as 'Great Britain'...
None the less that's his full title and the full title of the United Kingdom.
http://www.number10.gov.uk/output/Page823.asp
Wow. Hostile much?
Interesting. I've never heard of Great Britain (i.e. England, Scotland, and Wales) being regarded as a separate political entity within the United Kingdom. I have heard of England and Wales being a political entity due to the Kingdom of England's having conquered the Principality of Wales long before the Acts of Union. Could you give me more info -- and are you sure that when they compete in the Olympics as "Great Britain," that's not just an informal term for the entire United Kingdom?
In any event, the fact remains that, technically-speaking, there is no Prime Minister of Great Britain, only a Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
well, as of a few years back (i forget when exactly) England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are all seperate political entities within the UK since there's a Welsh Assembly, a Scottish Parliament and a Northern Ireland Assembly. but not an English one. our laws all still come from Westminster.
Then, there's also the fact that some laws covering Britain are different between the mainland and NI and even between England and Wales and Scotland.
dude, use wikipedia, it's sixteen years since i did politics A-level. you wanna know, you do the research. i ain't getting paid for this.
Then, there's also the fact that some laws covering Britain are different between the mainland and NI and even between England and Wales and Scotland.
dude, use wikipedia, it's sixteen years since i did politics A-level. you wanna know, you do the research. i ain't getting paid for this.
We may well have the Welsh Assembly but Wales is really not that distinct from England - we still share the same laws and are governed overall by the same Parliament. The devolution in Scotland is more extensive and thus Scotland is a separate entity, although, if I remember rightly, the English law that was passed granting the devolution can still actually be repealed. Further to that, there are still MPs for parts of Scotland sitting in the English House of Commons. The Republic of Ireland is the only truly separate body.
The separation is really not that massive so it's very understandable that we are all seen as the same political entity.
The separation is really not that massive so it's very understandable that we are all seen as the same political entity.
It looks like the thread is starting to stray far from my original question. I was okay with people moving from the original question into a discussion on the timeline (which I know I started), but now we're now into politics. Any chance of getting back on topic or should I get a mod to put a close on this as I feel my original question has been more or less answred anyway?
So, Donna says in "The Fires of Pompeii" "you saved us all in 2008"... which sort of puts a spanner in the one-year-out dating, though you can of course come up with your own rationalization for this.
That's easy, Donna doesn't know just what year it is. Hey, if she missed the Cybermen invading Earth...
but which event in 2008 is she referring to? aaaaaah....see!!!
Essential thing to remember is that Britain has an unwritten constitution (ie, no constitution beyond precedent).
For instance, the office of Prime Minister does not officially exist, but the precedent is that for almost 300 years the monarch has treated one member of parliament as his/her first minister, and ceded the royal perogative (and the theoretically absolute powers that go with it) to him(/her), and given that person the older title of First Lord of the Treasury.
And so on. Other 'common law' rules have also developed over the years, eg: the Prime Minister must be a member of parliament, and also a Commons MP, not a Lord (that one is only 70 years old); the Prime Minister must have a majority - or something close enough to it not to get defeated regularly - in the House of Commons, not just be a favourite of the monarch, etc etc.
Right.
Yeah, knew that.
I did. And absolutely nothing I've ever read, or that you've said here, has indicated that a political entity called Great Britain -- i.e., a political entity consisting only of England, Scotland, and Wales -- exists within the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. It has, at most, indicated that the UK is using a pseduo-federalist form where the powers invested in the Westminster Parliament are delegated to smaller parliaments for some but not all of the constituent countries.
^ probably not. I don't remember Partners in Crime too well, so maybe she mentioned it, but I wouldn't be surprised if the only time she was ever aware of the Titanic at all was in Turn Left. In the real universe she probably evacuated London along with most of the population.
