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Confused about "Fearful Symmetry" and "The Soul Key"

MvComedy

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I know that these books were not universally well-received. So let me preface by saying that overall I enjoyed them. But I have read through both of them twice and there is one plot element that either just does not make sense or I missed something both times. Hopefully some of you can help me figure out whether it's the former or the latter.

In the opening of Fearful Symmetry, as I recall the scene where Sisko is using the Orb of Souls, the other Siskos tell him in so many words that his MU counterpart did not die like we all thought he did as of DS9 season 3. So Sisko sends Vaughn along with Kira to the MU, presumeably because Vaughn is supposed to find Sisko. Then in Soul Key, Opaka reveals (can't remember if it was to Vaughn or Kira) that Sisko did in fact die, evidently sometime later than we were lead to believe in season 3 of DS9, but nonetheless it had happened quite awhile ago. Everyone in the MU believes that Iliana is supposed to be the emissary. But after Vaughn encounters his mirror self, he apparently concludes that he is supposed to be the emissary, as evidenced by his irate conversation with Sisko at the end of Soul Key.

So this is what I don't get:

1) Fearful Symmetry and Soul Key take place over a relatively short period of time (aside from Iliana's backstory, which is neither here nor there). Why did all the alternate Siskos imply that MU Sisko was still living when they should have known that he was not? Even if he escaped the death that supposedly happened off-screen in season 3, his real death in Soul Key is still implied to have happened a long time ago. Were they somehow actually referring to Vaughn or Iliana and I just didn't get that part?

2) I'll buy that the Prophets would accept a substitute for Sisko as the emissary, since they basically tell Iliana "you're not the Sisko, but you'll do." That comes with it's own logical problems, such as how the Prophets are implied to have arranged the birth of every Sisko in every universe and then guided him to them (even the Borg one), and therefore should have protected him long enough for him to find his way to them. I think that the alternate Siskos imply that MU Sisko rejected his role as emissary which is why they directed prime Sisko to find him, and if he rejected his role perhaps the Prophets would turn elsewhere.

But what I don't understand is how Vaughn got caught up in all this. It seemed to me that he came to the realization of why Sisko truly sent him to the MU while he was interacting with his MU counterpart. He doesn't explain any of that until the very end of the book during his confrontation of Sisko. What made Vaughn think that Sisko sent him to the MU to take the mantle of emissary for that universe? And what about his encounter with MU Vaughn caused him to come to that conclusion? For that matter, what made Sisko think Vaughn was supposed to be the emissary? From his conversation with Vaughn at the end, it seems as though he knew that his MU self was in fact dead which is why he orchestrated the whole thing from the start. But again, if that was ever implied during his encounter with the Orb of Souls, I didn't catch it. And even so, what gave him the idea that Vaughn was supposed to take his place, as opposed to Iliana whom he also personally interacted with?
 
Other people seem to have had the same problem, so you're not alone, but here is how it is.

1)

The alternate Siskos at the beginning of Fearful Symmetry DID NOT tell our Sisko that MU Sisko was still alive. We never actually saw what they said. Sisko told Vaughn that's what the alternates told him, but he was lying. The alternates knew all along that MU Sisko was dead, and that it was going to be MU Iliana.

Sisko lied to Vaughn because he was using him. It wasn't really about Vaughn in that respect - Sisko sending Vaughn only acted as a reverse psychology push to MU Iliana, since he knew she'd already turned down the position. Iliana asked why Sisko sent Vaughn, and he replied "We both know you could have solved the problem yourself, but you didn't. So somebody else had to step up." It was all a plot to force Iliana to step up after all.

2)

The thing about MU Sisko being dead and needing replacing, is to show the theme of choice versus predestination. Even despite all the plans and plots the Prophets have on the go, they leave room for self-determination. Characters talked about "choice" all the time - it was a major theme of the story.

And additionally...

Vaughn had had reason to think he had some kind of Emissary-like destiny. They had similar experiences - lost their spouse to the Borg, single father, came to Bajor, new lease on life - and he trusted Sisko because of that. Sisko knew that wasn't the case, but he allowed Vaughn to think it was to get him to do what he wanted. I think the real point of it all from Vaughn's POV was to accept his own mortality by literally killing "himself."

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Thank you, that does clear things up quite a bit. I thought about sitting down and at least re-reading the opening to Fearful Symmetry in the hope that I might have caught what I earlier missed, but just didn't get around to it. Since I decided to re-read RBoE I doubt I'll pick these two books back up for some time.
 
Wow that's convoluted. I don't think I understood all that either. It was so long between books though that I probably just assumed I had forgot some details.

The thing about the whole MU trilogy was that, yeah it wasn't that great. But it would have been just fine if it hadn't been stretched out over three and a half years. Ten DS9 novels were released in the previous three and half years to that. I know the whole story about delays and everything, but the drawing out of a poor storyline just made it that much worse and more confusing.

I'm actually holding out on reading RBoE until/unless a five-year-gap story is released, so if/when that happens, I'll probably re-read the MU trilogy before I move on to the new stuff.
 
Wow that's convoluted. I don't think I understood all that either. It was so long between books though that I probably just assumed I had forgot some details.
It took me a while to piece it all together, yes. But it helped that I had to go through it with a fine-tooth comb to do my screenplay adaptations (plug plug plug plug).

And really, I quite like not being dumbed down to. The answers are all there in the text - it just takes a bit of thinking about. I prefer that assumption of intelligence to straightforward shagging and explosions any day.

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Wow that's convoluted. I don't think I understood all that either. It was so long between books though that I probably just assumed I had forgot some details.

The thing about the whole MU trilogy was that, yeah it wasn't that great. But it would have been just fine if it hadn't been stretched out over three and a half years. Ten DS9 novels were released in the previous three and half years to that. I know the whole story about delays and everything, but the drawing out of a poor storyline just made it that much worse and more confusing.

I'm actually holding out on reading RBoE until/unless a five-year-gap story is released, so if/when that happens, I'll probably re-read the MU trilogy before I move on to the new stuff.

RBoE?
 
^ Look at it this way...all it takes is one extra 'r' in the second word and then you have quite a different thing entirely. :devil: :D
 
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