common misconceptions about Voyager

[Stoo]

That statement can hold literally true for either side of the argument.

 

[Yanks]

It's a transporter accident. They were able to fix it.

Exactly.

 

[Yanks]

Their lives are already lost. Restoring that requires the execution of another, who is innocent.

And it would be exactly the same moral question with Kirk and his crew.

...and Kirk would of course brought Spock and McCoy back and been heralded for it.

 

[Guy Gardener]

One was a transporter accident.

The Doctor wanted to root into his brain to get his mobile emitter back.

Apparently he wasn't allowed to, because One was a real person who it would have been naughty to murder.

 

[Anwar]

One wasn't created from the loss of someone else's life.

 

[KaraBear]

there is no point in this argument

if she hadn't reverted Tuvix back to being Neelix and Tuvok there would probably be just as much arguing about her still being a murderer for letting Neelix and Tuvok die. This is a no win situation

 

[garaks the best]

there is no point in this argument

if she hadn't reverted Tuvix back to being Neelix and Tuvok there would probably be just as much arguing about her still being a murderer for letting Neelix and Tuvok die. This is a no win situation

Maybe the writers would have been better off not making the episode in the first place?

 

[Richard Baker]

Well I liked Tuvix more than Tuvok and Neelix- a happy, talented guy. Neelix gets to me after his third sentence each show and Tuvok just didn't work for me...

Voyager was an uneven show- some great moments but it was like too many people pulling in different directions- if they had kept to their original premise and showed a struggle to keep the ship going instead of repainting it between shows...

 

[KaraBear]

there is no point in this argument

if she hadn't reverted Tuvix back to being Neelix and Tuvok there would probably be just as much arguing about her still being a murderer for letting Neelix and Tuvok die. This is a no win situation

Maybe the writers would have been better off not making the episode in the first place?

why? they wrote an episode that people are still passionately talking about 20 years later. I would call that success

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

there is no point in this argument

if she hadn't reverted Tuvix back to being Neelix and Tuvok there would probably be just as much arguing about her still being a murderer for letting Neelix and Tuvok die. This is a no win situation

Maybe the writers would have been better off not making the episode in the first place?

why? they wrote an episode that people are still passionately talking about 20 years later. I would call that success

ABSOLUTELY.

 

[Yanks]

there is no point in this argument

if she hadn't reverted Tuvix back to being Neelix and Tuvok there would probably be just as much arguing about her still being a murderer for letting Neelix and Tuvok die. This is a no win situation

Maybe the writers would have been better off not making the episode in the first place?

why? they wrote an episode that people are still passionately talking about 20 years later. I would call that success

Agree!

 

[Yanks]

there is no point in this argument

if she hadn't reverted Tuvix back to being Neelix and Tuvok there would probably be just as much arguing about her still being a murderer for letting Neelix and Tuvok die. This is a no win situation

Maybe the writers would have been better off not making the episode in the first place?

Na, it's like Death Wish... makes you ponder.

 

[KaraBear]

there is no point in this argument

if she hadn't reverted Tuvix back to being Neelix and Tuvok there would probably be just as much arguing about her still being a murderer for letting Neelix and Tuvok die. This is a no win situation

Maybe the writers would have been better off not making the episode in the first place?

Na, it's like Death Wish... makes you ponder.

i know a lot of people give this one a hard time too, but I love Death Wish.

 

[Guy Gardener]

TUVOK: Me? I have no legal expertise.
QUINN: But I need someone who understands Federation asylum practices. Besides, Vulcans approve of suicide.
TUVOK: It is true that Vulcans who reach a certain infirmity with age, do practice ritual suicides. Nevertheless, I fail to see how that fact would be meaningful in this circumstance.

Tuvok is willing to kill himself under ideal (the opposite really.) conditions.

Although, blindness didn't seem to be a valid qualifier for suicide unless I should reexamine his shaving scenes again in Year of Hell that every day he mentally flipped a coin to decide whether to shave or slit.

 

[Yanks]

Maybe the writers would have been better off not making the episode in the first place?

Na, it's like Death Wish... makes you ponder.

i know a lot of people give this one a hard time too, but I love Death Wish.

One of my favorite "trial" episodes in trek. Much better than Measure of a Man for sure.

 

[KaraBear]

TUVOK: Me? I have no legal expertise.
QUINN: But I need someone who understands Federation asylum practices. Besides, Vulcans approve of suicide.
TUVOK: It is true that Vulcans who reach a certain infirmity with age, do practice ritual suicides. Nevertheless, I fail to see how that fact would be meaningful in this circumstance.

Tuvok is willing to kill himself under ideal (the opposite really.) conditions.

Although, blindness didn't seem to be a valid qualifier for suicide unless I should reexamine his shaving scenes again in Year of Hell that every day he mentally flipped a coin to decide whether to shave or slit.

you think blindnss is something worth killing youself over?

 

[Guy Gardener]

But according to the episode Tuvix, Data did not need a trial... Picard, or an Admiral above him, could have just unilaterally said "bullshit, you're a robot."

The Trial with Quinn was a massive Prime Directive violation.

Janeway radically altered the nature of a foreign alien species because she believed she was morally superior.

But then it was a request for asylum which seems to be a reacharound, but not all asylum requests are automatically honoured and accepted... But Janeway must have facepalmed the following year when she saw that she had started a civil war and should have in hindsight been able to see where this was precipitating when she directed verdict... Stopping a war is just as bad as starting one, or taking sides since how you stop a war determines the climate, stability and duration of the peace.

 

[Guy Gardener]

TUVOK: Me? I have no legal expertise.
QUINN: But I need someone who understands Federation asylum practices. Besides, Vulcans approve of suicide.
TUVOK: It is true that Vulcans who reach a certain infirmity with age, do practice ritual suicides. Nevertheless, I fail to see how that fact would be meaningful in this circumstance.

Tuvok is willing to kill himself under ideal (the opposite really.) conditions.

Although, blindness didn't seem to be a valid qualifier for suicide unless I should reexamine his shaving scenes again in Year of Hell that every day he mentally flipped a coin to decide whether to shave or slit.

you think blindnss is something worth killing youself over?

No and neither does Tuvok it would seem.

In theory there is a line of infirmity after which it is crossed that Tuvok will space himself.

If the blindness did mean that he couldn't do his job any more, it's possible that would be a level of infirmity that he might find intolerable. More so being "useless" to Janeway than actually being blind.

It was just the first thing that came to me when I wondered has Tuvok ever been really frakked up?

I should have used the dementia that turned him into a loon in End Game.

By the time he was too far gone he wouldn't have been mentally competent enough to be allowed to commit suicide by his doctors, and while he still had time, he was too arrogant to see how little time he had.

 

[Yanks]

But according to the episode Tuvix, Data did not need a trial... Picard, or an Admiral above him, could have just unilaterally said "bullshit, you're a robot."

The Trial with Quinn was a massive Prime Directive violation.

Janeway radically altered the nature of a foreign alien species because she believed she was morally superior.

But then it was a request for asylum which seems to be a reacharound, but not all asylum requests are automatically honoured and accepted... But Janeway must have facepalmed the following year when she saw that she had started a civil war and should have in hindsight been able to see where this was precipitating when she directed verdict... Stopping a war just as bad as starting one, or taking sides since how you stop a war determines the climate, stability and duration of the peace.

God man, are you high?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Well I do look down my nose at most people.

Does that count?