common misconceptions about Voyager

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

There was no trade off, not a single person in the viewing audience was attached to David.

Anwar I must ask though.. people hated Tuvok?

David was around longer than Tuvix, yet here we are still talking about Tuvix. Why is David's death less?

ONE MOVIE.

Also, blonde.

Maybe they didn't hate Tuvok, but they hated Neelix. It had nothing to do with connection to Tuvix as much as it was dislike of Neelix.

JFTR I have never hated Neelix. Or even disliked him. I thought the acting was good and the character fairly fleshed out and well used.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I Think, at the time, I wanted David and Saavik to run away together and make babies.

Of course, back then I had no idea that she was carrying Spock's baby by the time Doc Brown killed David.

So, if he had survived, would that mean that a Kirk would be raising a Spockling had those two crazy kids made the obvious love connection?

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I Think, at the time, I wanted David and Saavik to run away together and make babies.

You are a sick man.

David would have been her beach bum phase and she would have gotten over him looooong before he'd gotten over her.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I was 10.

I had believed that the two pretty people always lived happily ever after in movies.

That's what movies were for.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

:: wipes away a tear ::

 

[T'Girl]

David was around longer than Tuvix

ONE MOVIE.

Just curious, which of the two Star Trek movies that David was in was the one movie?

 

[Guy Gardener]

I think the most common misconception about Voyager is that the Borg Survived Endgame.

They didn't.

The Novels lied.

As far as Berman was concerned, Janeway destroyed the Borg entirely forever saving the Federation from Assimilation till the end of time because she's a super hero.

 

[Guy Gardener]

David was around longer than Tuvix

ONE MOVIE.

Just curious, which of the two Star Trek movies that David was in was the one movie?

2 through 4 was a single super movie they cut into parts for theatrical release, or at least you could trick a stupid person into believing that that was true without much effort.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

David was around longer than Tuvix

ONE MOVIE.

Just curious, which of the two Star Trek movies that David was in was the one movie?

TWO?

Oh well, it all blends into one smushy thing. Whatever.

THAT BLONDE GUY. Curly guy. Mama's boy.

 

[Guy Gardener]

He tried to get stoned with Wesley in an episode of TNG too.

And he played a fairly excellent super cool moron archetype in the 80s sitcom Square Pegs.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

And now he's dead.

 

[Guy Gardener]

1989?

Well, I did think that he had been keeping a low profile recently.

 

[Stoo]

The main reason so many folks complain over Tuvix is because they just hated Tuvok and Neelix to start with and wanted them gone.

Your presumption to be able to see into the heads of fans (who all apparently think alike) is pretty obnoxious.

 

[Yanks]

It was a guilt trip.

Besides he said that he forgave them for doing the wrong thing.

What sort of crazy person forgives you doing the right thing?

If you're doing the right thing, you don't have to be forgiven.

Tuvix I guess.

 

[Yanks]

I can make an argument for Tuvix, but it's the wrong one. There are two murders that need righted.

Tuvix loses.

Who murdered Neelix and Tuvok again? An accident happened. Tragic as that may be, no one should be at fault for that. The only murder in that episode was done by Janeway. There is no moral justification to take an innocent person's life against his will. Janeway decided she liked Tuvok(and maybe Neelix) more and that was the only reason, otherwise Kes's crying wouldn't have been what made her make the choice. You can argue Tuvix was a coward for not falling on his sword, but last I checked cowardice isn't a capital crime.

Gone is the Janeway that was appalled at the suggestion of executing Suder for murder or that wouldn't even kill a Viidian who stole Neelix's lungs and left him for dead.

The main reason so many folks complain over Tuvix is because they just hated Tuvok and Neelix to start with and wanted them gone.

If this was TOS and it was Spock and McCoy fused together, with the possibility of losing both characters, no one would mind getting them back.

..and Kirk would have been memorialized for making it happen and making the right decision.

It hypocracy at it's best.

 

[Yanks]

I can make an argument for Tuvix, but it's the wrong one. There are two murders that need righted.

Tuvix loses.

Who murdered Neelix and Tuvok again? An accident happened. Tragic as that may be, no one should be at fault for that. The only murder in that episode was done by Janeway. There is no moral justification to take an innocent person's life against his will. Janeway decided she liked Tuvok(and maybe Neelix) more and that was the only reason, otherwise Kes's crying wouldn't have been what made her make the choice. You can argue Tuvix was a coward for not falling on his sword, but last I checked cowardice isn't a capital crime.

Gone is the Janeway that was appalled at the suggestion of executing Suder for murder or that wouldn't even kill a Viidian who stole Neelix's lungs and left him for dead.

Why does someone have to be at fault? How would that change anything?

There is no moral justification to allow this mistake to take the lives of 2 people.

Kes' crying made me puke.

Not gone at all. Arrived is the Janeway that will do what she needs to do to save her crew.

 

[Stoo]

Their lives are already lost. Restoring that requires the execution of another, who is innocent.

And it would be exactly the same moral question with Kirk and his crew.

 

[Yanks]

Their lives are already lost. Restoring that requires the execution of another, who is innocent.

And it would be exactly the same moral question with Kirk and his crew.

I would submit their lives are not lost, mearly in a different state. As life can't be created.

If the result of the experiment ended up creating a blob that had been determined to be sentient, noone would be making the argument against Janeway's decision.

 

[Stoo]

I might. Others here might. Don't make presumptions about our reactions.

A bloblike creature would be harder for us to emphathise and identify with - simply our human nature, we respond more to life forms that look like us - so that could be a pretty interesting premise.

Tuvok and Neelix's lives had stopped and could not continue without stopping someone else who didn't want to stop and had basic rights not to stop that the federation should be upholding. Not sure why you're quibbling semantics or what you mean by life can't be creaed.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

It's a transporter accident. They were able to fix it.