Commodore Decker as Kirk

[JonnyQuest037]

He is actually identified as such in the novelization.

Will Decker was also identified as Matt Decker's son in the Star Trek: Phase II writer's guide, although why that interesting bit of backstory never made it into the movie is beyond me.

Roddenberry wrote it (supposedly ghosted by Alan Dean Foster),

That's a myth. "In Thy Image", the story that evolved into TMP, was originally written by Foster, and he ghost-wrote the Star Wars novelization credited to George Lucas, but the TMP novelization is all Roddenberry. You can tell by the writing style that he was more of a novice in prose (and all the sexual references in the text are also a giveaway that it was GR).

And that means that father and son both ended devoured by a cataclysmic entity.

I wouldn't say that Willard Decker was "devoured" by V'Ger. The idea was supposed to be that Decker, V'Ger, and the remnants of Ilia within the probe duplicate of her all merged to evolve into a new being.

 

[FormerLurker]

I knew it was a myth, that's why I said "supposedly". I was just trying to avoid the naysayers on here that like to respond to me and others with variations of "You posted, therefore you are wrong."

 

[kkt]

One of the big differences between Shatner and Windom was that Shatner looked youthful while Windom looked like a tired middle aged man. I suppose Windom could have acted energetic and charismatic like Shatner did, but Windom would still have looked like a middle aged captain. The youthfulness of Shatner added to Kirk's dynamic persona.

I didn't think Windom looked tired. There were scenes that you could see he was a strong captain. Sure, he was a few years older than Kirk, but so were all the captains in the fleet; Kirk at 34 was awfully young to be a captain, either in Starfleet or in today's navy. Decker looked like a strong 45 or so captain who'd lost his ship and had his crew eaten right in front of him.

 

[locutus101]

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I wouldn't say that Willard Decker was "devoured" by V'Ger. The idea was supposed to be that Decker, V'Ger, and the remnants of Ilia within the probe duplicate of her all merged to evolve into a new being.

To me Decker and illia shared the same fate, their bodies were destroyed and their minds replaced by computer simulations. I call that death. Just as McCoy says in the movie:" This is just a machine."

 

[JonnyQuest037]

I knew it was a myth, that's why I said "supposedly". I was just trying to avoid the naysayers on here that like to respond to me and others with variations of "You posted, therefore you are wrong."

If you knew it was a myth, why bother referencing it at all, then? "Supposedly" also means that it could be true, so then you're just spreading misinformation.

 

[FormerLurker]

In general parlance, "Supposedly" is routinely used to mean "That was never true". I just used it as it has been used over and over both IRL and here on the forum. And you'd be surprised how many people still believe it.

 

[locutus101]

In general parlance, "Supposedly" is routinely used to mean "That was never true". I just used it as it has been used over and over both IRL and here on the forum. And you'd be surprised how many people still believe it.

"Supposedly" is a term that oozes sarcasm.

 

[Ovation]

Supposedly.

 

[drt]

That fight scene always makes me laugh! I love it!
JB

Yeah, it cracks me up how the security guard is finally rendered unconscious by a half-landed blow to the middle of the back.

 

[johnnybear]

Jerry Catron acts and dances about like he's an expert in the martial arts and yet Decker's twenty year superiority clubs him down more than once! The best fight in the series for me!
JB

 

[locutus101]

Yeah, it cracks me up how the security guard is finally rendered unconscious by a half-landed blow to the middle of the back.

That's known as the vulcan back punch, it does the same thing as the neck pinch except it's more physical in the execution.

 

[johnnybear]

Looked more like a double handed club to the back of his head to me!
JB

 

[JonnyQuest037]

And you'd be surprised how many people still believe it.

No I wouldn't. That was why I took issue with you repeating that urban legend.

 

[FormerLurker]

For the record, it isn't an urban legend. It's what is called the evolution of language. Sometimes it gets someone's goat, like with you and "supposedly", but often it makes for better communication in the long run. We'll just have to wait and see in this case.

 

[Phoenix219]

"Supposedly" is a term that oozes sarcasm.

To me, it just means that it is unproven, untested, and unknown. Its supposed to be something, but it might be. A big maybe. Supposedly.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

For the record, it isn't an urban legend. It's what is called the evolution of language. Sometimes it gets someone's goat, like with you and "supposedly", but often it makes for better communication in the long run. We'll just have to wait and see in this case.

When I said "urban legend," I was referring to the concept of Alan Dean Foster writing the TMP novelization, not your use of language.

 

[johnnybear]

Alan Dean Foster wrote Splinter of The Mind's Eye, which was a sequel to Star Wars and ends with Darth Vader losing his arm and being left at the bottom of a deep pit as I recall although there is no reference to his being Luke's Father in this one!
JB

 

[locutus101]

For the record, it isn't an urban legend. It's what is called the evolution of language. Sometimes it gets someone's goat, like with you and "supposedly", but often it makes for better communication in the long run. We'll just have to wait and see in this case.

Well, that's often the wisest course of action.