Discussion in 'Miscellaneous' started by hxclespaulplayer, Mar 20, 2013.
Re: College: Gender Studies
I saw the title for that and was terrified. Dare I go and read it?
It's like those men who launch into hate rants at the sight of a pink ribbon because MEN GET BREAST CANCER TOO!!!!
I bet that site has some spew about that as well.
They had this one article which focused on this incredibly moronic op-ed written by a woman about how she wants more sex from her man. It was dumb and full of stereotypes. But the "analysis" that the site did on her article was so self-righteous that I was ready to agree with every point of that woman's op-ed by the end solely because the "voice of men" came across as insane.
I'm surprised that nobody has accused me of starting a troll thread yet. Always happens on forums when something I post turns into a multi-page argument.
Well, we're all assuming your initial post was a genuine enquiry.
also it veered pretty far from your original question
No worries. I gave your thread a reboot or a reimagining (now with 75% more lensflare) or whatever the hell they're calling it these days in case you want to discuss your question without all the side drama.
Re: College: Gender Studies
Sadly, I must concur with this.
Deranged Nasat, I have for a long time considered you to be one of the most thoughtful and considerate members of this board, and I am shocked to see you express such repugnant views in this thread. I would consider myself a feminist, by which I mean that I support equal rights and opportunities for women. That's all that that means. I do not espouse a dangerous anti-male ideology, I am not part of some conspiracy against my own gender, all I ask from other men is that they try not to be sexist dicks.
As with all popular movements, there is a fringe minority of extremists that take things too far while claiming to speak for the whole. But they do not. The hateful anti-male fringe represents feminism about as well as the IRA represents Irishness, and you can be damned sure that I would be offended if you were to try and lump me in with that lot. Your views on feminism are simplistic, myopic, worthy of distain, and unbefitting of your history as a poster on this forum.
I am hoping that you will be able to see your way past this form of bigotry in the future. I would bet that most of us have, in the past, expressed views which we later came to regret. I know that I certainly have. I hope that your opinions on feminism will change in time and you will regret having expressed them here.
I didn't enjoy typing this post, and I very nearly didn't write anything out of respect for your past. But if my words, combined with those of others, might help convince you off the path you're going down, then it's something I feel is worth saying.
One final hurrah:
I wasn't going to say anything, because I'm not interested in being ignored or having links posted at me. And I respected you too much before to sit here and make assumptions about your thought processes or how you arrived at your conclusions. You leave us to make assumptions, however, because you haven't actually shared your own reasoning.
You posted (in several places) about how you have been doing yourself and others a disservice by acting cowardly in not expressing these opinions. If posting these links helps you resolve an internal conflict, then it is a small action to take for such peace of mind.
But please don't behave as though you've tried to help anyone here or done your part in educating us. Your behavior in this thread has been inappropriate and ineffective. Your very first post in this thread was posting more that twenty links which you did not even provide any sort of summary or context for. I wanted to read some of them but how would I even know where to start? You presented material in a manner that was certain to turn off people from the beginning. You said that you imagined little actual reading or research would result from it, and that's probably true. But you have the lion's share of the blame for that. Locutus had the right idea when he said:
You said something about making the OP aware of different perspectives in the field, but you've done it in a way that's sure to turn everyone off from them. You haven't done anyone any favors here. Locutus gave you the perfect opening for a discussion that could have actually led to people such as myself questioning long-held beliefs and having a productive conversation. Hermiod's name still gets tossed around as a joke sometimes, but I've always wished that he had made a better attempt at discourse, because I found some of what he had to say to be quite interesting. Unfortunately, you seem to be even less interested in discourse than he was.
Instead of letting other interactions or things from Facebook push you to this state of agitation, you could have posted your thoughts in more relevant places in a more constructive manner. You could have said, "In my opinion, most gender studies promote a single ideology and that's something you should be aware of when considering it as a field of study." You could have elaborated as questions arose. Instead you chose to vent your frustrations and resolve your own internal conflict in an inappropriate way in someone else's thread.
So while you're sitting there thinking to yourself, "Well at least I was honest," or "I've done my part," you need to remember a few other things. No one here has been responsible for the fact that you've been repressing your opinions until now. And you've actually done a greater disservice to your beliefs by presenting them in a way that's sure to turn people off of them. If that was your intention, then mission accomplished.
Since I'm not going to sit through 35 minutes of something that is possibly retarded...how about your sum it up?
i can't be arsed to watch that either, wasted too much time with crazy blog links earlier on.
this thread made me a feminist
You can post lots of links to utter shite, you proved that in your first couple of posts on this thread - we all get it.
Superb post, Kestra
Feminism is about the social, intellectual, sexual and financial equality of women. That's all it is. It has existed for centuries and will continue to exist until the problem is solved. The mistake that DN has made (as TheGodBen and a couple of others have pointed out) is equating contemporary fringe and extremist movements with real Feminism. We all know that in politics words don't mean the same things as in real life-- just because somebody calls herself (or himself) something doesn't mean it's true (after all, skinheads call themselves patriots, right?). And while it's true a lot of these extremist ideologies do make their way into academia, that doesn't change the fundamental principles of Humanism. I know that junxon and some others have become upset with what has been posted here, but I don't believe for a second that DN considers women to be inferior to men. I do think that he has been caught up in the ideological shoving match that has led to this age of extremism that we live in.
On another note, I find it strange that not a single person has called out the OP on being an admitted "misandrist" who is delighted to be in a college course with a bunch of "like-minded people." DN is correct in that it does go both ways.
Yeah, it's really strange that no one called out the OP for that thing he didn't say.
Read it again:
He said he's been called a misandrist by others when he tells people he's taking a gender studies course. He then goes on to say with a separate thought how he finds it liberating to be in a class with so many like-minded people. At no time did he admit to being a misandrist himself.
Anyone who thinks that women are over-reactive to their position in society and are still needlessly angry at men obviously didn't pay much attention to last year's political landscape where women's reproductive rights were constantly an issue challenged by a certain political group. A welcomed moth-piece of which made very offensive comments about a young woman in the battle for women getting fair treatment when it comes to their medical needs. Oh, and women are still universally paid less than men for the same job and still in many cases pay more for goods and service than men, not to mention are still taken advantage of in business transactions. And a news organization recently expressed feelings towards men convicted of raping a woman, saying how the young men's lives were now ruined over the encounter.
Yeah, women are in such a high position in society right now and have nothing to complain about.
You're right, I completely misread that. My bad.
Yeah. TheGodBen too.
DN, I don't think I've really had much direct interaction with you, but I've always thought of you as being intelligent, considerate and sensitive. Sometimes prone to walls of text, but always sincere and kindhearted. I've been completely shocked and dismayed by the sort of vitriol you've shown in this thread, and I don't know how to square that with my previous image of you. I don't know where this has come from, but considering the many people expressing similar sentiments to mine here, I wish you'd reconsider what you're saying.
You've burned a lot of bridges here just in one thread, but maybe some one-to-one conversation with somebody once you're cooled down might help? Or take Kes' and Locutus' offer up and try to at least word your opinions yourself to start an actual conversation?
Well said, Kestrel.
Deranged Nasat, I didn't expect you to respond to my post since we have never really interacted before. However, seeing as so many of your friends have agreed with my post, I really hope that you reconsider the things you are saying (or rather, NOT saying).
I think an actual conversation about this may be important.
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