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Colin Baker Records Regeneration Story

Anyone downloaded/listened to the set yet?

Easly word has it, End of the Line (the first released story for Constance, Six's newest audio companion) is the stand-out. At least, thats the word. And, the last 10 minutes of The Brink of Death is a good lead-in to Time and the Rani.
 
I've got it downloaded, but won't be able to start listening to it until tomorrow, unfortunately.
 
I just finished listening. It was very enjoyable and an interesting way to end his time.

Spreading the story out along his timeline was a nice twist. The ending went along with Time's Champion and a fan theory that 6 sacrificed himself to prevent the creation of the Valeyard. Although in this case it most likely just stopped his current plan.
 
I'm rather dissapointed that only so few have commented on this box set.

I've listened to three of the four stories - I'm leaving the fourth story for last, after I've finished with the Mel-Six stories that I'm going through.

Trial of the Valeyard, not really part of the box-set, but it re-introduced Valeyard on audio again, and it took a nice spin on season 23 - by having the Valeyard on trial, with the Doctor defending him! Anyway, I liked it a lot, as its treads the mystery of the Valeyard's origin with certain ambiguity, as by the end you don't know if he was telling the truth or not, really. Some of you may not like it too much, but I enjoyed it.

The End of the Line, introducing Constance Clark as Six's latest companion (presumeably Mel's imemdiate predecessor), is clearly the best of the three I've listened to. The story's atmosphreic and the soundscape very much compliments the story. Valeyard's part in this is minimal, but important, as it re-introduces him after Trial of the Valeyard. Overall, excellent - one of BF's best in a while.

Red House, the one with Charley, is the weakest of the three of the box set I've heard, by FAR. I don't think I liked it at all - particularly because it makes Charley a Moffat-y companion who, instead of asking for the Time Lord's help to get out of this Doctor's timeline, simply waits for him to leave. Sure, its the Vaelayrd, but she doesn't really know anything about him, does she? At least in the stories she had with Six, it seemed like she had no choice or possibility of getting out of Six's timeline without some sort of damage done. Here, she's just egotistical.

Oh, and some story about werewolves. It pains me to say thiis, but Tooth and Claw (which I don't like) is superior to this in every way.

Stage Fright is another one I really liked. Six, Flip, Jago & Litefoot - you can't go wrong with this line-up! And the Valeyard's biggest role yet. Loved it, though I wish it was longer. As such, its the set's second-best.

I wonder where The Brink of Death will rank in those. I just hope it won't suck as much Red House did. We'll see...

PS: Furthermore, where is Christopher to express how impossible it is to have a regeneration story for the Sixth Doctor? :p
 
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I the story arc worked well and for me was a decent wrap up to the Valyard as well as being a good regeneration story for sixy.
 
Well you know, that makes sense for a regeneration done by Big Finish. Big Finish gets the rights to everything Who up until the end of the 11th Doctor's era, so they take parts of The End of Time Part 2 from NuWho and meld them into the beginning of Time and the Rani and there you go, instant regeneration scene.

Honestly though, that sucked, and screw them for making McCoy a part of it. I thought that Tom Baker fusing with a mummy to regenerate was stupid, but at least he wasn't talking with Peter Davison while he was doing it. Its a good thing this isn't canon, or it would probably make Time and the Rani worse, something I thought was nearly impossible. "Carrot Juice" was a better send off for the 6th Doctor. I mean, I didn't think that BF would do the regeneration scene well, but that's just sad.
 
Oh, come on - You're serious? The regeneration scene is really nice, and considering he's speaking to himself and its in audio, this was really well done. Its also worth noting that the regeneration can be interpreted to be as being internal, voice-wise. And it keeps with the NA myth that the Seventh Doctor instituted his own regeneration, but without really making it explicit.

Aside from definitely being canon (Before the Flood makes a sly reference to it, as Whithouse admitted recently), how does it make Time and the Rani? If anything, it improves Rani's plan, as now she always meant to cause the Doctor's regeneration, as it would help her amnesia-inducing plan. And of course, the radiation being lethal for Time Lords was a great touch, and puts to rest once and for all the bang-his-head-on-the-console (which the Doctor still considers might've occured, anyway).
 
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Using McCoy vocally makes perfect sense - after all you would see him on TV so what's the problem hearing him on audio.

Overall I liked it, End Of The Line & Stage Fright were fantastic, Red House was weaker but not terrible. Brink suffered from typical Brigg's technobabble and horribly underused Mel but was fine otherwise.
 
Yeah, Mel was underused, but being so short, and the end basically changing everything, I was OK with her not having a huge role.

Red House, I thought, was nearly worthless. Aside from hearing Charley with Six again, it wasn't really a story that I'd return to. Not to mention that it relegated Charley to a companion who couldn't care less about the Web of Time, which I don't appreciate.
 
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Oh, come on - You're serious? The regeneration scene is really nice, and considering he's speaking to himself and its in audio, this was really well done. Its also worth noting that the regeneration can be interpreted to be as being internal, voice-wise. And it keeps with the NA myth that the Seventh Doctor instituted his own regeneration, but without really making it explicit.
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That's the worst part. The NA idiotic idea that my favorite Doctor was murdered by the only Doctor I've actively hated is infuriating, and since NuWho has definitely gone against some of the biggest NA stuff (like the loom), I figured that was also completely and totally not canon. So, having similarities to the third stupidest thing in those books (outside of the looms and basically making sixth the Valeyard or at least a villain from what I remember reading about the books) is a big mark against the regeneration scene.

Emperor-Tiberius said:
Aside from definitely being canon (Before the Flood makes a sly reference to it, as Whithouse admitted recently), how does it make Time and the Rani? If anything, it improves Rani's plan, as now she always meant to cause the Doctor's regeneration, as it would help her amnesia-inducing plan. And of course, the radiation being lethal for Time Lords was a great touch, and puts to rest once and for all the bang-his-head-on-the-console (which the Doctor still considers might've occured, anyway).
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Well, any hypothetical references in Before the Flood obviously wouldn't count. As for Time and the Rani, that regeneration makes it worse by this being a horrible scene. As far as I (and from what I can tell TV canon) are concerned, The Rani attacked the Sixth Doctor while he was in his TARDIS, which caused him to hit his head and regenerate. A fairly lame, but understandable series of events. No radiation, no stupid talking to his future self, just an attack and some blunt force trauma. Far from the best way to go, but still more dignified then the 7th Doctor's death.
 
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That's the worst part. The NA idiotic idea that my favorite Doctor was murdered by the only Doctor I've actively hated is infuriating, and since NuWho has definitely gone against some of the biggest NA stuff (like the loom), I figured that was also completely and totally not canon. So, having similarities to the third stupidest thing in those books (outside of the looms and basically making sixth the Valeyard or at least a villain from what I remember reading about the books) is a big mark against the regeneration scene.
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Its a nod to those fans and stories that kept the brand going when nothing else was going on. Doesn't mean its what happened, and again, this is an audio story. It has to convey the regeneration in terms of sound, as we can't see the regeneration, per se.

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Well, any hypothetical references in Before the Flood obviously wouldn't count. As for Time and the Rani, that regeneration makes it worse by this being a horrible scene. As far as I (and from what I can tell TV canon) are concerned, The Rani attacked the Sixth Doctor while he was in his TARDIS, which caused him to hit his head and regenerate. A fairly lame, but understandable series of events. No radiation, no stupid talking to his future self, just an attack and some blunt force trauma. Far from the best way to go, but still more dignified then the 7th Doctor's death.
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Its pretty much the same, except the Sixth Doctor, for some reason, went towards that path, effectively sealing his fate by himself.

Also, there's never been a TV reference to to Six losing his life because of blunt trauma. Thats pretty much only been referenced in Zagreus... a Big Finish mega-event (which happens to be super lame, but anyway).
 
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Also, there's never been a TV reference to to Six losing his life because of blunt trauma. Thats pretty much only been referenced in Zagreus... a Big Finish mega-event (which happens to be super lame, but anyway).
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It doesn't need a "reference", its what was shown on screen. No one has talked about, for example, the 7th Doctor being killed by an idiot human doctor, or the 5th Doctor being poisoned, or the 4th Doctor falling to his death, etc, since those individual events happened, but they still actually happened. We saw the 6th Doctor slam into the console, and then regenerate. It was obviously filmed to show the head slam causing the regeneration. Anything else is just a fan created retcon.

As for the video above, Colin Baker is as entertaining as ever. I'm glad he likes what he's doing, but that still doesn't make the story legitimate or canon. He has no more control over that then he did when he actually played The Doctor :shrug:
 
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It doesn't need a "reference", its what was shown on screen. No one has talked about, for example, the 7th Doctor being killed by an idiot human doctor, or the 5th Doctor being poisoned, or the 4th Doctor falling to his death, etc, since those individual events happened, but they still actually happened. We saw the 6th Doctor slam into the console, and then regenerate.
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No, we didn't. We saw the Doctor on the ground. Thats it.

It was obviously filmed to show the head slam causing the regeneration. Anything else is just a fan created retcon.
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Its as obvious as you want to make it.

As for the video above, Colin Baker is as entertaining as ever. I'm glad he likes what he's doing, but that still doesn't make the story legitimate or canon. He has no more control over that then he did when he actually played The Doctor :shrug:
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Obviously, you're wrong, since Big Finish's stuff is definitely canon, so I've no idea where you get that from.
 
Emperor-Tiberius said:
Professor Zoom said:
Emperor-Tiberius said:
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Aside from definitely being canon (Before the Flood makes a sly reference to it, as Whithouse admitted recently), how does it make Time and the Rani?
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What was the reference?
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"I've had good innings."

Twelfth said it, and thats Six says when he dies.
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Now I'm morbidly curious to learn if Big Finish released a story with The Doctor playing baseball :lol: Actually, for all I know, that's what Big Finish's 6th Doctor regeneration story was about, the Sixth Doctor forming a baseball team to prevent The Master and/or The Valeyard from winning the Galifrean World Series of baseball :rommie:
 
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