Code of Honor - Racist?
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Americans influence virtually every country on this planet. That doesn't mean they are or understand those cultures. Simply doesn't.
Do those Americans who funded the IRA, refer to themselves as Terrorist-Americans?
Anyone with any experience with Irish political life and is acquainted with Irish political affairs knows that Irish America has huge influence.
This is not in dispute by any serious person. Provisional Sinn Fein shares power in the north of Ireland and is poised to become kingmaker in the south. Irish America has a huge force on the financial well being of Provisional Sinn Fein. Every Irish person is familiar with the Irish diaspora. They are Americans and are a category in of themselves.
You sticking your fingers in your ears, squeaking "nope" upon contact with the truth doesn't change that basic reality.
Take that from someone who has lived in Ireland all his life and who is actually familiar with the mentality of his countrymen.
This is not in dispute by any serious person. Provisional Sinn Fein shares power in the north of Ireland and is poised to become kingmaker in the south. Irish America has a huge force on the financial well being of Provisional Sinn Fein. Every Irish person is familiar with the Irish diaspora. They are Americans and are a category in of themselves.
You sticking your fingers in your ears, squeaking "nope" upon contact with the truth doesn't change that basic reality.
Take that from someone who has lived in Ireland all his life and who is actually familiar with the mentality of his countrymen.
So was TNG really just using black actors as puppets to pick on the Chinese?
Well that's a relief since I'm not disputing it. I'm disputing the notion that the Irish view Irish-Americans as Irish. They don't. They view them as American.
This is a well trodden path. You must surely be familiar with it.
Yes, they are Americans.
I remember there being signage outside some eateries and pubs in the 1930s and earlier saying "No Irish".
So at some point the Irish did graduate to full Americans.
There then must be hope, that soon for maybe a few of the other Somewhat American Americans to stop being relegated to third class by Whitey.
So at some point the Irish did graduate to full Americans.
There then must be hope, that soon for maybe a few of the other Somewhat American Americans to stop being relegated to third class by Whitey.
There are at least two chains of gift shops in Dublin that exist solely to sell trinkets, ties, tea sets and refrigerator magnets festooned with leprechauns and shamrocks to Americans - and god knows how many independent little shops and stalls doing the same.
I figure that working in one must feel like being the guy who wears the Dopey costume and waves Disneyland tourists through the gates.
I figure that working in one must feel like being the guy who wears the Dopey costume and waves Disneyland tourists through the gates.
Pluto seems smarter than Goofy.
They are both dogs right?
They are both dogs right?
You're older than I thought.
I sleep a lot.
You should see the 'gift' shops on the Reservation where I was born. Its embarrassing but hey...if it sells and people are dumb enough to buy it so... whatever. Their money is as good as anyone else's.
The depiction of the Ligonians definitely felt stereotypical and colonial, off-putting but not so much as to totally ruin the episode, especially given that other episodes depicted other aliens as also culturally inferior. An especially interesting comparison is with "Justice" in which an "Aryan"-looking species was, after initially seeming to be friendly, pretty much condemned as childish with appalling beliefs and practices.
BTW, I believe the script didn't specify the Ligonians as all being black, it was the initial/credited director's decision (which others were at best unsure of and he was fired after only filming part of the episode).
? A minority of women wanted to treat men as equals while the leader was very attracted to Riker but didn't really come around to his way of thinking, seemed to remained committed to matriarchy.
BTW, I believe the script didn't specify the Ligonians as all being black, it was the initial/credited director's decision (which others were at best unsure of and he was fired after only filming part of the episode).
? A minority of women wanted to treat men as equals while the leader was very attracted to Riker but didn't really come around to his way of thinking, seemed to remained committed to matriarchy.
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In the past I questioned whether Trek was racist because all the other aliens of one species are characterised as being one way, while humans remain diverse.
But the women who were instrumental in wanting change didn't come to this realisation until Ramsey and his tall, manly, non-native human males came along and showed them the error of their ways.
Which stereotype do you feel the episode perpetuates?
It's been a while since I've seen this episode so I'm hazy on the details. It might have come off better if there was already a movement afoot on the planet to grant men equal rights and some of these women were sympathizers. The arrival of the Star Fleet men would just add ammunition to their cause. "See MEN can do all the things women do."
If you -- as a writer -- create a fictional race from a fictional race/planet and then go onto cast that race/planet/nation in a disparaging light, is that racist?
Frankly, the only thing that is provocative in Trek are the Ferengi who seem to exhibit many traits that closely parallel pre-war anti-semitic propaganda.
Frankly, the only thing that is provocative in Trek are the Ferengi who seem to exhibit many traits that closely parallel pre-war anti-semitic propaganda.
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