I posted my thoughts elsewhere, all I can say is I am really not happy with this, at all.
Spoilers CODA / Litverse-End unnecessary?
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Possibly because the TV version is no longer a going concern? If and when BUFFY is revived or rebooted onscreen, expect any tie-in novels or comics to reflect the current screen version.
That's just how it works.
The BOOM! comics do not, in fact, "do their own thing," because Joss Whedon himself co-created and supervised the reboot, just as he did with the canonical post-series comics from Dark Horse. I doubt a reboot would've been allowed without the approval and participation of the creator. Intellectual property works the same as any other kind of property. Only the owner of the property has the right to make major alterations to it. Anyone just borrowing or renting their property has to work within the limits they set.
I think this is clearly "own" thing in the sense I intended it, which is that they are not beholden to preexisting canon.
Everything else in this post is restating something everyone already knows. Obviously a licensee couldn't do something like this unless it was allowed by the license holder.
Big Finish has done Space 1999 and The Prisoner reboots, which afaik had no involvement from the creators of those properties.
Which is why I despise the 1939 MGM vision of Oz (Disney's Return to Oz, while flawed, wasn't nearly that level of hatchet-job), and why I loathe the very concept of the Maguire vision of Oz.
(*sigh*) What would Baum do?
I would be impressed if Big Finish had involvement from the direct creators of either, what with them being dead.
That said, Gerry Anderson's son Jamie (who's currently managing his father's IP) is involved with the Space: 1999 reboot; he was script editor on the first audio (for what that's worth on a Nick Briggs script), and is credited as a consultant on the second.
But if the intent of bringing up the Buffy reboot was to imply that Trek novels shouldn't need to be beholden to canon either, then that doesn't work at all as an analogy. What people don't get is that "canon" is not about continuity, it's about authorship. Since Whedon himself, the creator of the franchise, initiated and developed the reboot, the reboot essentially is canon. It's an authoritative reinvention by the original author. That would not be true of any Trek tie-ins that were not directly initiated by the showrunners themselves.
Which, again, does not make any sense as an analogy for Star Trek, because neither of those series has been in production for decades, as Greg said. Their original creators are all dead, and they have no current successors because neither is an active property.
Thanks for explaining definitions to me. The original context for my comment was this:
My intent was purely to say that there are circumstances under which this can happen even if it's not common.
Of course there are, but it's not going to happen with Trek, for reasons that have nothing to do with "bravery." So saying something like that in response to Daniel's musing is just giving false hope. Whether it's factually correct in general has no bearing on whether it's appropriate to apply it to this particular conversation.
I hereby apologize to @F. King Daniel for giving him false hope by telling him about a Buffy comic.
The point is, the new BUFFY comics (and most recent XENA comics for that matter) don't apply in this case because the comics are not conflicting with any new and concurrent BUFFY tv series and movies.
Now if the new BUFFY comics were doing their own thing in defiance of a new BUFFY tv series, that would be relevant, but that's not the case here.
Now if the new BUFFY comics were doing their own thing in defiance of a new BUFFY tv series, that would be relevant, but that's not the case here.
Sort of?
Unless I've misunderstood them - the original show still happened as we saw it and the new comics are set in a parallel universe.
Oh, interesting, I didn't realize that. My exposure is mostly via FCBD issues.
Which seems to be a common handwave these days for alternate fictional continuities -- see the Arrowverse Crisis and the current Spider-Man movie, for example. Although the practice goes back at least as far as "Flash of Two Worlds" in 1961.
Yes they are actually
doing a crisis type event at the moment where comic buffy teams up with multiple versions including the TV one to stop a villain who threatens them all.
Honestly, that whole "multiversal crossover between alternate versions" trope is already becoming a cliche. Everyone seems to be doing it lately.
Housekeeping note: a concern was raised regarding this thread discussing the Coda ending, so I have marked the thread as a spoiler thread.
I credit the influence of the Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse animated movie. The trope has obviously existed for decades, but it seems to have broken into mainstream media and become much more common as a result of that film.
To an extent, yeah, but that isn't an example of what I'm talking about, which is using a multiverse to reconcile multiple pre-existing screen adaptations that were previously independent of one another, like the Arrowverse Crisis did with previous DC movies and TV series, Spider-Man: No Way Home did with the previous Spidey film continuities, and the theatrical Flash is apparently going to do with the Keaton Batman. Spider-Verse treated Peter Benjamin Parker's universe as approximately like the Maguire films, but with some differences in detail, so it's more an homage than an outright revival like those others did. Its universes are ones that exist in the comics -- Spider-Gwen, Noir, Spider-Ham, etc. -- but none of them had a previous film or TV incarnation. Although I suppose you could say the post-credits scene qualifies by tossing in the '60s Spider-Man cartoon. And the sequel might qualify if the rumors of it featuring the Toei Spider-Man are true.
Other examples would be the Ben 10 franchise, which reconciled its live-action TV movies as alternate universes (even though the first movie purported to be in series canon), and the 2003 and 2012 Ninja Turtles animated series, which did multiverse stories incorporating the '80s animated series and the original gritty comics as alternate worlds (although the two versions, ironically, were incompatible with one another).
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