Spoilers Coda: Book 2: The Ashes of Tomorrow by James Swallow Review Thread

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  1. CanadianMetalFan

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    Hopefully the final book will be better. Not long to wait...
     
  2. David cgc

    David cgc Admiral Premium Member

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    I don't have the page, but it's early in the book, during the meeting with the President and all the Admirals. I missed it too, at first, because it's a line saying the reason she's not on Earth is that the President had to go to Andor to personally look into a "cloning scandal."
     
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  3. frkcd

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    Thanks, David. I recall that well. I just did not associate it with the clones from Titan.
     
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  4. Enterprise1701

    Enterprise1701 Commodore Commodore

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    Thanks from me as well! I missed that moment.

    On a different subject, why is Klag a captain again in this novel? Destiny made him a general, which as I recall was followed up by A Singular Destiny, and the Prometheus trilogy, and the Prey trilogy.
     
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  5. ryan123450

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    I think unfortunately this is yet another error.
     
  6. Enterpriserules

    Enterpriserules Commodore Commodore

    Thank you for listening! Can't wait to talk to David to wrap it all up!
     
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  7. Smiley

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    Even if Klag's rank is an error, you could imagine an interesting story to explain it. We saw Kirk go from Admiral to Captain in the movies (and Vokar get busted down to a sublieutenant in Serpents Among the Ruins).
     
  8. F. King Daniel

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    If it all ends up destroyed at the end of book 3, we can always use them as proof it wasn't the true litverse but another, similar timeline that was destroyed:p
     
  9. rfmcdpei

    rfmcdpei Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I think that much depends on how all this crisis gets resolved.

    We do actually know from canon how this resolves: Not only does the Trek universe survive, but so does the wider multiverse. The mad quest that our trilogy's protagonists are on, trying to save the multiverse from the Devidians, will succeed.

    The main question is not whether they succeed, but rather, how they succeed. Does the novelverse end? Is it reset? Does it continue on?
     
  10. F. King Daniel

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    Yeah but due to the infinite scale of things, the Devidians can destroy half the infinite multiverse, while still leaving an infinite multiverse behind to exist in Trek canon.
     
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  11. Enterprise1701

    Enterprise1701 Commodore Commodore

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    But what if Kurtzman-era canon were to revisit the Devidians in a different way like Star Trek Online did? Then how does the Avatar-Destiny-Coda novelverse remain a thing?
     
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    It will always live on... in our Hearts and Minds!


    [apologies]
     
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  13. jaime

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    A lot of people have summed up things I have thought reading these books.

    Something that carries it in a nutshell for me though, is that we spent time reflecting on things from Star Trek III, but no time at all dealing with the DS9 crew as they currently stood in the books. We spent an age following Picard… a character who literally has a series of his own now, and was the focus of the first book, and almost none dealing with Ro, Kira, or even Benjamin. The books, both books, enjoy gathering crew in a place so that one or two can be killed off. And… they don’t always seem like the characters. Tom and B’Ellana weren’t killed off, but seemed like token Voyager characters (keep in mind Tuvok is on Titan. Tuvok. Didn’t say a word when his ‘family’ were caught re-enacting Star Trek III) since Beyer had the sense to rush an ending to the Voy books that pit everyone else out of harms way.
    Then O’Brien gets a poorly written ‘why couldn’t he seal the door from the other side’ and ‘where are the spacesuits, they work in space’ death.

    I feel like while I have bought these books, and want to know how it ends, I have been taken for a ride, and not in a fun way.
     
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  14. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    The multiverse itself isn't really being threatened, the Devidians only target weak timelines, of which the Litverse's timeline is one. Wesley is only out to protect the Litverse timeline, his native timeline.
    It doesn't.
     
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    If I recall correctly, I asked a similar question back when Prey got released, and the answer I received was, "Klag's still a General in command of the Klingon 5th Fleet, but since he's commanding the Gorkon and not actively interacting with the rest of the Fleet, he's simply referred to as 'Captain' for convenience's sake." I don't know if I necessarily buy that (because I wouldn't think any general or flag officer would prefer to be addressed by a lower rank, outside of a few rare circumstances usually involving a much-older mentor who is clearly remembering the officer as he or she used to be rather than who they are now, ala Professor Galen to Captain Picard), but then again there's also precedent that the commanding officer of a ship, no matter what rank they actually hold, is addressed as "Captain".
     
  16. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Exactly, and yes, that does apply if the officer's actual rank is higher than Captain. Which has already been done plenty of times in onscreen Trek. In The Doomsday Machine Decker is a Commodore, but his logs are still called "Captain's Logs." On DS9, Martok is a General, but is referred to as "Captain" quite frequently in the episodes that take place on board the Rotarran, proving that even Klingons engage in this practice.
     
  17. Allyn Gibson

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    Head's up: Oblivion's Gate may begin showing up in the next week -- I received a shipping notification at work this morning for it.
     
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  18. Starbreaker

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    I'm really worried I'm going to hate these books. And from not even reading spoilers, it looks like the timeline is going to be wiped out or isolated in some way?
     
  19. The Wormhole

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    ^^Basically, yeah.
     
  20. Mike Doyle

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    Both books have some suggestion that the Q and other similars have fled because of the threat.

    I really don’t think anything we’ve seen or heard suggests that the Devidians could be a threat to the Q. Is there something else going on and the Devidians are just taking advantages of it?

    When the universe was threatened by “Them” Q mounted a resistance with the Q of the Enterprise. But now he’s scared and runs away from something that uses space serpents that can be killed by starfleet ships and need to take out methods of time travel to stop their plans being scuppered?