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Classic SF...opinions....

I liked Marooned but I thought that the special effects could have been a whole lot better. I don't even think they favourably compare with the original effects on Star Trek and I guess they didn't have the time/budget to do 2001 quality effects.
Glad to see you added The Final Countdown to you to be ordered list, its a really great film which got me interested in naval aviation.
By the way could somebody tell me what Conquest of Space is? Is that the one with that bloke from Wagon Train going to Mars?
 
Although not SF I've just received my copy of Run Silent, Run Deep, a cool film with a storyline I think TMP should have paralleled in terms of Kirk and Decker butting heads much like Gable and Lancaster in Run Silent Run Deep.
 
RUN SILENT, RUN DEEP is a solid submarine movie, with a strong cast. Robert Wise's direction is also pretty good, as far as I can remember, anyway.
 
I read Philip K. Dick's "The Father Thing" when I was pretty young. The old Body Snatchers always reminds me of that story-- scary as hell!
 
Just got home to find I'd received Destination: Moon from Amazon. :techman:

"...I'll take you home again, Kathleen..." You know until I actually saw this movie several years ago I had no idea Kevin Riley singing it in TOS' "The Naked Time" was a homage to Destination: Moon.
 
Never seen Dark Star. Is it any good?

You can watch it here for free: http://www.amctv.com/b-movies/scifi/

Personally, I find it dark and hysterical.


And so this evening, after all these years, I've finally seen the 1931 Dracula.


Watching Dracula I instantly recognized where so many cliches and conventions began in regards to horror films in general and vampire stories in particular. Knowing this allowed me to look past now familiar conventions and experience the film on its own terms.

Candidly, and since I can't really escape the sum of my own experiences, I find aspects of this film rather stagey and theatrical.

That maybe because the 1931 Dracula was based on a play adaptation of the novel. One that had done quite well on Broadway, with Legosi as the lead.
 
Dark Star has some excellent segments and other stretches which are well, less good, but it's definitely worth a watch. I would call it a classic sci-fi movie, and it's got some great stuff (and probably the best bomb disarming scene in the history of cinema).

I see Metropolis mentioned once or twice here, I'd definitely hold out for the new, restored release - mostly I considered the additional footage as pretty worthwhile (and got a nerdgasm with the realization one of my favourite sci-fi movies of all time now features a quote from one of my favourite writers, Oscar Wilde).

Beyond that, Woman on the Moon. The first stretch of the movie is pure Fritz Lang crime pulp (which even he'd done better in films like Dr. Mabuse) but the material involving the actual space travel takes the issue of scientific realism reasonably seriously and had actual consultants. Lang liked to claim the idea of a countdown for rockets was taken from his movie, but then Lang is known for saying things that aren't entirely true.

I'm partial to films like Queen Aelita of Mars and The Face of Another but they are very much acquired tastes (and the former mostly interesting for set design/as a historical artefact).

And yes, La Jetee is pretty fantastic.
 
I had seen Destination: Moon before a couple of years ago on TCM, but now it's fresh in my mind.

Firstly I'll get the negative out of the way. I'm disappointed with the general quality of the dvd transfer. This really should be cleaned up for the best colour and removal of periodic visual noise. In that way you could really appreciate the film's visual spectacle which is quite good within context of what they were trying to depict.

There's a lot of good detail in this film and I felt that even with what we know today there isn't much inaccurate. Certainly in context of what was known when the film was made it's very good with the details of space flight. For example I appreciated that they let the actors grow their facial hair since shaving in zero-g wouldn't have been practical and it's just like contemporary astronaut practices. I also liked that while care was shown in showing the characters moving differently in zero-g and on the lunar surface they didn't move with exaggerated slowness. It isn't exactly like actual footage we've seen of Apollo astronauts on the moon, but it's close. I quite liked some of the background details such as private industry being heavily involved in getting into space because it's much like the reality of space programs since the '60s and especially today with private enterprise endeavouring to get space tourism off the ground and made practical. And while I can't say how realistic it is I did like the sense of enthusiasm and urgency the characters conveyed. A great strength of the film is the realism of the characters behaviour and dialogue. There was absolutely nothing B-grade about either. Within the context of the story their behaviour is quite believable. I also appreciate that the sense of urgency is derived from a believable scenario rather than something contrived---it made it all seem more credible.

The Chesley Bonestell artistic influence is quite evident and it's wonderful. No, the film's lunar surface doesn't look as we now understand it, but it's fascinating nonetheless and really conveys a tangible sense of alien environment. I also rather liked the different colour space suits to help identify who is who while outside the ship. Mind you the perfectly clear faceplates of the helmets was amusing given what we now know of the brightness of the sun on the moon. The scenes depicting the Moon and Earth from space are very nice except that the starfields look a little too hokey.

I really like the design of the spaceship Luna. Of course it's nothing like the multistage utilitarian design of a real Saturn V rocket, but it really nails the romanticized idea of future space travel. I love the Luna's clean lines and ideal proportions as well as its silvery finish, a high-tech bullet fired into space and into the future. Wonderful! I only wish we could have seen the ship sail back into Earth's atmosphere and land again.

I can see how it might be hard for many younger viewers to get into a film like this because for them space travel (in its limited extent) is a fact. But for anyone who was born before Apollo 11 the notion of going to the moon was thought of as a grand adventure involving a multitude of technical hurdles. And, of course, there are no exotic aliens, quirky robots or space battles to be found here.

In it's own way Destination: Moon was a hard SF film much like 2001: A Space Odyssey would be eighteen years later, and it doesn't suffer for it. It clearly shows that in an era of B-grade sci-fi flicks with bug-eyed monsters there were folks who wanted to aim higher. :techman:


Silent Running, a film I haven't seen since being rerun on TV in the '70s.

Within the confines of a space freighter we see one man's stand against the apathy of society or more exact the entire world. This is definately a different animal than what's usually expected in SF films. For one thing it's distinctly science fiction as opposed to more pulpy sci-fi or science fantasy. And it's about something, it has an idea to put across. The closest thing today I can think of would be something like Gattaca in terms of approach while being different in subject matter. This isn't a big budget, explosive type of film and yet it manages to look good. It also reminds me of how much I love good model work in films and what you can do with it.

I find some of the ideas in this film still relevant even forty years later with its environmental message. And this was reinforced by the careless apathy of Freeman Lowell's shipmates. Also, before there was an R2D2 we had the lovable maintenance drones Huey, Dewey and Lewey. (-:

This is a thoughtful film and certainly not hyperactive as many younger audiences might come to expect in a SF film, but it is indeed a worthy effort. :techman:


I've watched a relatively obscure German film from 1960 called First Spaceship On Venus. Fortunately it was dubbed in English. The film is based on a 1951 novel called The Astronauts by Polish SF writer Stanislaw Lem.

Lets get the quibbles out of the way first. This is unmistakenly an early '60s era work and dubbed (perhaps a bit clumsily) into English. By that you can't escape the crudity of some of the f/x and some of the dialogue can be a bit clunky. And besides some of the dated aspects of f/x and dialogue you have to try to forget what you already know about what Venus is really like.

Now for the good stuff. In its own right this was an ambitious movie. It's a story of pure space exploration or more particularly exploration of a strange new world. And the depiction of that world might be a touch crude but it is nonetheless imaginative and fascinating. An alien artifact is found on Earth and its origin is traced back to Venus. In the peaceful Earth of 1985(!!!) an international group of scientists and specialists man the advanced spaceship Cosmostrator to travel to Venus to investigate and possibly make contact with any alien intelligence to be found.

Some of the imaginative set designs and models could have been lifted right off the covers of some of the most romanticised SF novels. I love the design of the Cosmostrator and the ship's control deck bears a striking conceptual similarity to the bridge of Star Trek's starship Enterprise yet the film came out six years before Star Trek aired on American television! The film also features an intelligent yet non humanoid form robot called Omega. And the crew is genuinely interracial. The ship's commander is German or perhaps Polish. The communications specialist is African. The pilot is American. The ship's physician is a Japanese woman. And the two chief scientists are Indian and Chinese. Plus they all have authentic ethnic names. This is also an ensemble cast with no true prominent character. While Forbidden Planet is recognized for likely greatly influencing Gene Roddenberry in developing Star Trek this film introduces ideas that Roddenberry couldn't have gotten from Forbidden Planet such as the interracial crew. And could Matt Jefferies have been influenced by this film when designing the Enterprise bridge? I can't answer either question but it can make you wonder.

I'm normally not keen on films that are dubbed into English, but I have to say that this film caught my attention right off and held me to the end. Because in the final assessment the good outweighs the bad. :techman:

On further thought, considering Hollywood's current obsession with remakes, here's a film with some good ideas that could could use a good polishing. The basic story is genuine deep space, far future space adventure. Oh, and change the locale and give it a better title.
 
This evening I stayed up late after midnight to watch the 1956 original Invasion Of The Body Snatchers. I had seen this film once a couple of years ago on TCM, but I wanted it fresh in my mind.

This is a good film in many respects. It's well written, well acted, well executed overall and it has a genuinely creepy atmosphere. It does have one flaw in my opinion. Not horrible, but I think it does detract from the overall effect. The tacked on beginning that gives too much away as well as the tacked on ending. The ending isn't quite so bad because we don't really know how far spread the invasion has gotten. There's nothing to say the pods didn't land in places all over the country let alone the world. But the tacked on beginning where we see McCarthy already raving gives too much away---now you're just waiting for something to happen as opposed to you just being carried along as the story unfolds.

Still, a very good film deserving of classic status. :techman:
 
I was thinking about the film I watched last night. Over the years before I actually got to see it I had heard and read many people ascribing "real intent" to the film: it was meant to warn about Communism or some other thing. But reflecting upon it I get something different, perhaps not intentional and more subtle.

All of us I think feel alienated at some time or other. I certainly know I have. I've often felt apart from everyone else as if everyone was in on something that I hadn't a clue about. There is also the pressure in society to conform in general. Hell, just being emphatic about something and you can be considered being over dramatic or too excitable or reactionary.

I simply felt the film touched on individual feelings of alienation and the pressures to conform to accepted conventions. I don't know if it was an intentional idea in the film, but that's what I got out of it.
 
The first Body Snatchers film is very obviously playing on Communist paranoia... the remake, however, seems to go more for psychological fears. It's a rare case where I can say both films are excellent though for very different reasons (also the remake has both Leonard Nimoy and Celia "T'Pau" Lovsky, for what that's worth).

I've watched a relatively obscure German film from 1960 called First Spaceship On Venus. Fortunately it was dubbed in English.
Wait, what?

I'm pretty sure there's a subtitled version available and I've had half a mind to get it for around six years (I am astonishingly lazy when you get down to it.) I've heard very mixed things about the film but most negative ones suggest that the redacted English cut is something of a bastardization... which is par for the course for dubbed films, really.
 
^^ As I now understand it there are two versions available out there. There's the First Spaceship On Venus which is an abbreviated 78 minute dubbed version---this is the version I saw. Then there's The Silent Star which is a 93 or 95 minute version in German with English subtitles. This is the version I want to see.

The film is certainly not above criticism. But it has wonderful ideas in it such that a well made remake that changed only a few things could be quite entertaining.
 
I've read that, when INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS was re-released in the 1970s, the prologue and epilogue (which had been studio-mandated) were deleted. I can't confirm this, since I wasn't around in the 1970s, and I've never heard of this version being released on home video, but it would be interesting to see someday.

I've also read (I can't remember where--perhaps in Don Siegel's autobiography?) that when the film was first screened for audiences, they laughed at parts. The studio did not like this at all, and mandated that Siegel have all the parts that audiences found humorous be excised. Siegel argued that the movie could be funny and scary at the same time, but was overruled. If the story isn't apocryphal, I'm sure that footage is long gone, but who really knows?
 
I've just finished watching the 1978 version of Invasion Of The Body Snatchers. I first and last saw this when it was released in cinema decades before I got to see the original '56 version a couple of years ago. The '78 still works and with all due deference to the original I find the '78 remake a lot creepier and unnerving. They really went out of their way to give it an unnerving, edgy atmosphere. And I loved the McCarthy cameo and tip-of-the-hats to the original.

Well done. :techman:
 
Don Siegel, the director of the original, has a cameo as the cab driver near the end of the 1978 version, too. Apparently, Sutherland and the other actor with him aren't acting so much as projecting actual fear, because Siegel had terrible eyesight, but insisted on doing the scene without his glasses.
 
I found the remake somewhat more artistic with its use of music and quick cut-to shots. It all really added to the atmosphere. The original is more a case of straightforward telling of a story with the idea of what's going on giving you the creeps. The '78 version takes those ideas and embellishes them sufficiently to make you cringe.

The remake also avoids the tacked on beginning and ending of the original. The '78 beginning just tells you something unusual is going to happen while the ending is as creepy as the original's initial ending would have been if they hadn't tacked on the scene with McCarthy in the hospital able to warn others.
 
Oh, I agree that I like the remake more than the original, but the original is still enjoyable. And it does provide some solace knowing that the prologue and epilogue were literally tacked on by the studio--they were filmed after photography had wrapped. It's too bad that the version without them isn't available.
 
It was interesting seeing Nimoy in a post TOS yet pre TMP role. And he plays something of a jerk to boot. :lol:
 
The George Pal space movies are interesting to have for historical reasons..you may want to own them but prob won't watch them that often.

Them still seems fresh! Not a bad movie at all!

I know the original Time Machine is considered a classic, and it has its good points, but it feels very OLD today...its one you will probably fast forward a lot through. It may not be perfect but I have an easier time getting through the remake these days, and the DVD version I have has a crystal clear picture..a nice transfer.

Silent Running. You'll want to own it but you will watch it once.

Suggestions: Watch ALL the British Quatermass movies, better than most of their American counterparts.

Planet of Storms:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056352/

Andromeda Nebula
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0278781/

Silent Star:
Buy only the restored version of First Spaceship on Venus

http://www.firstrunfeatures.com/silentstardvd.html

Some newer movies I liked but are not as well known:

Cargo(2009)
Predators(2010)
Cypher(2002)
Pandorum(2009)
 
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