As do I. In fact, I'm thrilled at the inclusion of the Talosians! I love the fact that Pike's Enterprise is making an appearance. All good stuff as far as I'm concerned!
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And you thought meteorologist was a thankless job...
Meteorologist is a great job! You can be wrong all the time and never get fired.
They are going to the planet...
https://trekmovie.com/2018/10/15/in...k-planets-canon-and-why-season-2-needs-spock/
https://trekmovie.com/2018/10/15/in...k-planets-canon-and-why-season-2-needs-spock/
(Some) Fans will always complain....
Yes, the planet Talos is no longer speculation, he said it outright.
Something something canon something something...
I’m guessing there’s nothing in “the Cage” or “the Menagerie” that says the Enterprise couldn’t have gone to Talos before or after the events of “the cage” (is DSC set after the Cage? I can’t remember now)
The Cage is set something like 'eleven years ago' in relation to TOS (but unclear as to exactly what year that part of TOS is in). Memory Alpha's best guess is 2254. Discovery starts in 2256.
I think Pike having more experience with the Talosians than just what was seen in the Cage makes sense, in light of the present day parts of the Menagerie. And as others have said, the Cage isn't exactly a solid foundation from which to build the idea that visiting the Talosians is worthy of a death sentence, either. So there is room to fill in some gaps with a good story.
Ah thanks. I can never remember when DSC is supposed to be set relative to the Pike era. I know it’s before TOS but it’s a bit more murky where the Cage is concerned.
Does the Cage even actually count as canon? Since it was never officially broadcast as a Trek episode proper (I.e. as part of the series)? I know the bits of the menagerie are canon because that was part of the actual show... but can we ignore the rest of the Cage since it wasn’t actually part of Star Trek once it was commissioned? I never liked the idea that the federation had a death penalty for anything if I’m honest.
Officially, I doubt it. Unofficially, however you want. I've never actually seen the Cage, personally. When I refer to it, I'm mainly referring to the events of that story, as I know them from the Menagerie. Somewhat clunky, but it's easier to separate the modern story and the flashback story for this sort of discussion.
I was mostly ok with the conceit of 'we have one last death penalty on the books, because doing that is so ridiculously dangerous that it simply can't be tolerated'. But nothing in the story backed that up. And then the Federation also had another separate death penalty that was also referred to as the last death penalty on the books. It's rather irritating, but I've been fine ignoring so far since it only mattered for 2 individual stories out of hundreds. The one I really hate is Burnham getting life in prison for a crime that most other starfleet hero characters would've gotten a stern talking-to for.
Starfleet had only one capital offense: General Order 7. Or General Order 4. I mix them up.
Federation member planets were free to use the death penalty, though. And pretty gruesome methods of execution at that. Argelius: death by slow torture, for example.
Deneb V made fraud punishable by death. Spock rattles off a list of possible final exits in “I, Mudd”.
Intriguingly, Kirk got M-5 to admit that the penalty for murder is death, suggesting that capital punishment is Federation law. Of course, the Feds aren’t exactly soft when it comes to non-lethal punishments. Twenty years in a rehabilitation colony for transporting tribbles seems a bit much.
Federation member planets were free to use the death penalty, though. And pretty gruesome methods of execution at that. Argelius: death by slow torture, for example.
Deneb V made fraud punishable by death. Spock rattles off a list of possible final exits in “I, Mudd”.
Intriguingly, Kirk got M-5 to admit that the penalty for murder is death, suggesting that capital punishment is Federation law. Of course, the Feds aren’t exactly soft when it comes to non-lethal punishments. Twenty years in a rehabilitation colony for transporting tribbles seems a bit much.
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"Are you going to visit any planets this season?
Alex Kurtzman: You will see a few planets this season, yes.
Are you visiting planets we’ve seen before?
Alex Kurtzman: Talos. We’re going to Talos."
Not sure how one can interpret that in any other way???
True, but one doesn't usually say that one is actually going to a place and mean to dream about it.
"Are you going to visit any planets this season?
Alex Kurtzman: You will see a few planets this season, yes.
Are you visiting planets we’ve seen before?
Alex Kurtzman: Talos. We’re going to Talos."
Not sure how one can interpret that in any other way???
'We' is obviously the production/show. He's saying the production is doing Talos, ie, we (the audience) will see Talos. That doesn't automatically mean the ship is going to Talos, or any of the characters will set foot on it in the current 'modern day' of the show.
But I think it would make more sense for them to go there than to only use the planet in flashbacks or illusions.
I honestly think you can interpret it either way.
I'm looking forward to seeing how it is woven in.
And...if they don't show the half-destroyed entry to the Talosian Community, I will riot like it's Festival.
It's the questions themselves that lead to my interpretation. Any 'you' (or 'we') that includes Kurtzman has to be referring to the production as a whole, not the Disco crew. I agree its likely they'll just go to the planet, but there's no reason for anyone to act like his comment is ironclad confirmation of that because it isn't.