Chuckles' Crush

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

That's all down to the angry warrior story. If someone made up a legend they claimed was from "their people" and it was obvious as all get out that it was a ruse to present themselves in a sympathetic yet potentially for the future still sexable light wouldn't you think they were a wanker? The whole story sounded like some bullshit some drunk would slur at a girl in a bar.

"yeah.. I know we couldn't be together like.. you know.. but my people, we respect that ya know? We have a special word for our kind of relationship.."

:: puts arm around girl as she shrinks back::

You all can fill in the word.

HIDING behind "my people", cloaking your fail and rejection in philosophical mumbo jumbo, to elevate it.. well no wonder their relationship took a downward turn after that.

 

[Guy Gardener]

It's called transference.

You imagined it.

Jean-Luc and Bev however?

Half way through season 7, after Attached, they made noises together that broke the Universal translator.

 

[bbjeg]

Come on, they were stuck in the Delta Quadrant for several years (with the thought they would be there for seventy). I wouldn't be surprised if they had group orgies to boost morale.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Well you know those barns and things in Fair Haven?

 

[bbjeg]

Who knows what kinds of things goes on in the background of a ship stranded in the Delta Quadrant. If they did a Lower Decks episode for Voyager, you'd never think of her the same again.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I think a lot of sexual tension will be dispersed via the holodeck. Saves on messy shipboard liasons where you are stuck with the person you never want to see again for 70 years

 

[2takesfrakes]

That's all down to the angry warrior story. If someone made up a legend they claimed was from "their people" and it was obvious as all get out that it was a ruse to present themselves in a sympathetic yet potentially for the future still sexable light wouldn't you think they were a wanker?
[SNIP!]
HIDING behind "my people", cloaking your fail and rejection in philosophical mumbo jumbo, to elevate it.. well no wonder their relationship took a downward turn after that.

 

[SPCTRE]

"yeah.. I know we couldn't be together like.. you know.. but my people, we respect that ya know? We have a special word for our kind of relationship.."

:: puts arm around girl as she shrinks back::

I lol'd.

 

[Guy Gardener]

No babies = No sex.

Tom said everyone was pairing off in episode 2 or 3, but really since there were over twenty deaths during the course of the program, unless couple's kept getting whacked, that would mean that several crewmen might have been widows and widowers multiple times over, before they would even think about sniffing around Harry.

After 5 of your boyfriends have been murdered by aliens of the week, Harry tripping through a hail of disruptor fire unphased had to look dead sexy... However...

Can you imagine Tom "comically" identifying the crewman who keeps hooking up with/marrying the soon to be departed?

(If she was in sciences The Blue Widow!

It wouldn't matter how sexy or good in bed this person is (or if they actually married these dead people, is it possible that they collected all her dead partners (plural) replicator ration pensions?) courting this person is a brush with death and an invitation to murder.

(Have I mention the Australian sitcom Laid recently? (Yes, I know I told you Teakcake, becuase you can actually watch this legally without much effort.) There is this girl, and every time she has sex with a guy, he dies. Well not immediately, but later in life after 30, all the men that she had ever had sex with, start dying in the order that she slept with them, one after the other. Spooky!)

 

[2takesfrakes]

... your point, sir?

 

[Shik]

"Chicks" is a very 80s word, and it dates your misogyny.

Wait, we can't call broads "chicks" anymore? Damn.

..What about "chippies"? Is that OK?

 

[bbjeg]

No babies = No sex...

That's not a definite fact. Raising a kid in the Delta Quadrant could be terrifying (with threats like the Borg lurking about). They could be avoiding children though releasing sexual tension with someone stranded with you doesn't mean a baby is on the way. Don't you really think their plan was to abstain from sex for seventy some years?

 

[JanewayRulz!]

What you are forgetting is that he probably saved her personality when she was in his LSD machine.

He had a fully operational Janeway nestled on his bedside table the whole time.

It's not real?

It's not enough?

If you don't think that that's enough, why don't you ask the Clown how well he got fucked by a copy?

You know what? I might just go ahead and do that Guy!
Chuckles, there's something I've been meaning to ask you ...

To be fair to the love of my fantasy Voyager life... I suspect Guy is referring to THE clown from "The Thaw", not to Chakotay.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYwEaBu6lfQ

I've known Fear, its a very healthy thing, most of the time...

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYwEaBu6lfQ[/yt]

 

[2takesfrakes]

Oh, yeah!!! Yes! Yes ... yes. The Clown. He was COOL! In any event, I have to admit ... teacakes' description of Chakotay's "Mystical Indian" approach to Janeway almost had me convinced that he'd put her off by that alone. Now, I'm not quite so certain and I'd like your input on this JanewayRulz!, if you don't mind. Because you see, I'm looking at it from ... a different persepective:

Janeway certainly couldn't be completely unfazed by Chakotay's insistance on bringing up his Native Warrior Ways all the time. But I don't think it was a Deal Breaker. Although this idea that, as Captain, she'd want to present herself as being above the need for a relationship, or sex, even and especially in their dire situation ... that's compelling to me. She was certainly more into having fun with the crew in the Holodeck than I remember Picard being, that's for sure. But I don't think she'd have sex with a character in there. It would be too creepy considering the Doctor's a hologram. So ... I suspect that she used Chakotay as a "crutch," basically. She kept the poor man dangling on a thread - knowing full well how desperate he was to have her - for exactly that purpose. He was a sort of Sexual Crutch, that's all. A play boyfriend, lover, husband, whatever she needed from him, without going ... ALL the way.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

2takes you need to watch the show. She did have sex with a holodeck character. It's not even remotely creepy and I think the EMH would be a tad offended that you use HIM as a reason why it is creepy, poor fellah.

And Janeway never tried to present herself as being above the need for a relationship or sex. She is quite open at times about her needs, she just has a very crucial job to do and the lives of the entire ship, both literally and in the sense of their lives back home needing to continue, are on her shoulders. She doesn't want distractions because she doesn't think she can afford distractions.

If I was Janeway I'd be running those holoprograms regularly.. I'd avoid the romance ones because they might trigger those nasty swoony endorphins which is exactly what she doesn't need, as she discovered. But there would be plenty of others for stress relief.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The Chief Engineer would have to go back farther through her bloodlines, and she probably couldn't find a precise tribe, but Latin = Spanish Colonialist + Native American.

B'Elanna and every other Hispanic crewman on Voyager is a Native American Indian too.

Torres is a Spanish name, not a Klingon name. Duh!

 

[2takesfrakes]

2takes you need to watch the show. She did have sex with a holodeck character.

... Well, sonofabitch!

 

[Guy Gardener]

Anyone thinking about Chuckle's Kush?

Not remotely creepy?

She made him grow 2 inches, forced him to go to university for 4 years and killed his wife.

Creepy is in the rear view mirror way back on the horizon.

 

[2takesfrakes]

I would respond to this intriguing question, Guy, except that ... I don't want to be corrected. I much prefer it when I'm agreed with and people type back things to me like, "... you made a really good point back there, Frakes! I will continue to read your posts with great interest." Mhm ... that's the kind of response I enjoy receiving, the most, I think. In fact ... I'm sure of it.

 

[JanewayRulz!]

I would respond to this intriguing question, Guy, except that ... I don't want to be corrected. I much prefer it when I'm agreed with and people type back things to me like, "... you made a really good point back there, Frakes! I will continue to read your posts with great interest." Mhm ... that's the kind of response I enjoy receiving, the most, I think. In fact ... I'm sure of it.

Ah, then like the EMH's family in Real Life and Janeway's lover in Fairhaven, you'd like a holographic, fully controllable trekbbs poster visiting your threads rather than we living breathing trol... um, trekkies.





Oh... and I mean "Threads" as in the board discussions, NOT "threads" as in 1960's slang for clothing.



As for my take on the Angry Warrior speech...



Look... what did Janeway do when he told her that story... she laughed.



She laughed at the story, she laughed at their situation, the only 2 humans on the planet for the next 50 years. Recall at the beginning of the ep/ the beginning of their exile, he couldn't even contemplate calling her "Kathryn" instead of "Captain".

Of course he wasn't going to confess that he'd been carrying a torch for her for the last 1-2 years.

But the problem with being the strong "silent" type, is that eventually you have to fess up and either say the truth (I've loved you ever since we fought the space whales) or pretend that after 2 years on the ship and 8-12 weeks alone together on the planet, you've SUDDENLY noticed what a handsome, funny, vibrant woman she was and are interested in advancing your relationship beyond roomate status.

So... he waffled and split the difference.

Telling a story that let him say how he felt and letting her laugh at their lives of complete denial.

Now... DESPITE what Kate Mulgrew has said time and again... I maintain that anyone who's seen Janeway sashay from the tomato garden into the hut KNOWS these two did more than hold hands on that planet.



That's MY story and I'm sticking with it!