Christopher Lloyd's Kruge
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I wonder how different Kruge would have been if Nimoy's original choice (Edward James Olmos) had played him.
Maybe "The Look" would have originated with Star Trek instead of having to wait 20 years for nuBSG.
Well in one iteration of TSFS script, the Kruge's BoP was a stolen Romulan vessel. Hence, the name.
trevanian
Rear Admiral
Nimoy had a few choices vetoed, including Jurgen Prochnow, who also probably wouldn't've needed much makeup and already sounded klingon.
There was at the time of the film a rumor that Tom Selleck wanted the role (don't blame me, I didn't make it up), but then again, that was when folks thought based on stories that it was going to be Star Trek III-D.
RobertScorpio
Pariah
Selleck as Kruge? First I heard of it...and you know what? I like it. I like Selleck, and seeing him with the Shat on boston legal was the shit
Rob
scorpio
Selleck would have already had his own 'stache.
EJO as Kruge...
The Kirk v Kruge fight would have gone very diffrently. esp if Kruge had a flash light.
The Kirk v Kruge fight would have gone very diffrently. esp if Kruge had a flash light.
Also, there weren't supposed to even be *any* Klingons in the film - originally, it was all Romulans. They changed the references to Klingons, but kept the script intact. That's how the Klingon concept of honor got its start onscreen.
ISTR that the novelisation, taking a cue from the novel The Final Reflection, suggested that it was fairly routine for an ambitious Klingon captain to go 'rogue' for a bit, making a name as a pirate whose actions the Klingonhigh command could disavow.
MeanJoePhaser
Admiral
Lloyd's Kruge was one of the best parts of the movie.
That's a good point, Khan was supposed to be much more of a terror, although I initially disliked Lloyd's performance because I kept on thinking "this is Christopher Lloyd acting" when I watched him. I guess I'm cutting him some slack in my old age.
MeanJoePhaser
Admiral
He seems to quick to throw it all away, though.
It was something like...
Kirk: "If we don't work together we'll die here."
Kruge: "Then that is how it will be."
Sure, Kruge was having a bad day...but all he had to do was beam up and let Kirk die on that planet.
Maybe he realized without Genesis, he knew the Klingon Empire would execute him for his actions and failure.
It was something like...
Kirk: "If we don't work together we'll die here."
Kruge: "Then that is how it will be."
Sure, Kruge was having a bad day...but all he had to do was beam up and let Kirk die on that planet.
Maybe he realized without Genesis, he knew the Klingon Empire would execute him for his actions and failure.
RobertScorpio
Pariah
I think he was a rogue...then again, the Ambassador on VOYAGE HOME doesn't distance himself from Kruge's actions either..
Rob
Scorpio
I think that's all it was. Kruge knew he'd lost Genesis and the only way to get his honor back was to have one last epic fight with Kirk.
He was just a mad dog. He kills the one guy who knew Genesis, David Marcus, and Kirk blows up the Enterprise, with Kruge losing the Genesis data onboard and the ship itself. He had it all in the palm of his hand but his philosophy of shoot first and ask questions later backfires on him in a big way. I think he was looking for an honorable death, fighting to the death with Kirk on an exploding planet. Doesn't sound like a bad way to die for a Klingon.
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