Chris Evans and Sebastian Stan to play...

[stj]

Captain America and Bucky Barnes, or so I read.

But, is this some sort of HoYay joke for April Fools by some TWOPer?

 

[Trent Roman]

Translation, please?

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

 

[Harvey]

There's already a long thread about this here: http://trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=113959

Doesn't seem to be an April Fools joke.

 

[captcalhoun]

Evans' casting cerrtainly ain't a joke. it was reported before April 1 that he had the job before being confirmed on April 2.

 

[Skywalker]

Evans was confirmed long before April 1.

 

[Checkmate]

Evans is fine for the role. He can pull off a young, patriotic blonde with charisma without any problem. It'll mostly come down to his lines and the script as a whole as to whether or not the character will be any good, and whether or not he can turn that charisma into a heroic leadership more than a comfortable companion. He was pretty much the only good thing in the Fantastic Four movies in my opinion, despite the writing of his character.

I have no idea who the other guy is though. He looks kinda funky and I've never really been a fan of Bucky anyway. The name alone just embarrasses me.

 

[dru]

I have no idea who the other guy is though. He looks kinda funky and I've never really been a fan of Bucky anyway. The name alone just embarrasses me.

He was the prince in NBC's short lived series "Kings" and is about the same height as Chris Evans who is reportedly just over six feet. I don't know how that's gonna work as Bucky.

As for the name, "Bucky" is a nickname, he's actually named James Buchanan "Bucky" Barnes.

 

[captcalhoun]

Quesada said in his 'Cup O'Joe' column on comicbookresources.com that Bucky has a very important role in the Cap movie and that he was very impressed with how Evans 'embodied the spirit' of the character of Cap.

 

[Checkmate]

He was the prince in Kings? Man, those first two pictures of him I found must have been taken on a really bad day.

 

[stj]

Translation: The Bucky Barnes character is a kid, improbably placed the action solely for younger readers to identify with. Cap is elder brother-father figure mentor. If you're afraid of cynical viewers murmuring about pedophilia, drop the character. If you want the death of Bucky story, go with the kid, for whom Cap should indeed feel responsible. If you can't believe Cap as a man who'd risk a kid's life, drop Bucky. (No movie Batman is exploring the dark depths if he isn't putting a boy in harm's way. And Bats is "supposed" to be dark, unlike Cap.)

Replacing Bucky with another man equal in age but inferior in every other way raises the question of why they hang around together, especially since the Bucky character is not a soldier. At Television Without Pity, there is a game of looking for homosexual overtones, aka HoYay. Having another man attached for no good reason really does have homosexual overtones. If Bucky is changed into a handler or fellow soldier, the Bucky story doesn't have the element of justified guilt in the original story. Which asks the question, Why have Bucky at all?

 

[captcalhoun]

in The Ultimates, Bucky was a childhood friend of Steve's who was a war photographer who tags along on Cap's missions and

Spoiler: The Ultimates

winds up marrying Cap's GF Gail

 

[stj]

A war photographer who tags along?

My small acquaintance with the Ultimates versions are that they are a dreadful combination of fatuous namedropping with would be dark and gritty that just turns out to be superannuated adolescent emo. This doesn't change my mind.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Evans beats some of the other reported contenders - some of them were downright scary - but I still think Ryan McPartlin would have been the best choice and it's too bad we'll never see what John Krasinski could have done with the role. I was genuinely curious about him.

The main fear about Evans seems to be, whether as an actor he has the stature to hold his own in scenes with heavy-hitters like Robert Downey, Jr. and Edward Norton.

Sebastian Stan looks too "exotic" for Bucky. He belongs in some teenage vampire flick. Not wild about the character of Bucky being included in the story at all. I guess we will see...

 

[Captaindemotion]

^It's far from certain that Norton will be in The Avengers. My bet is Hulk will, Banner won't.

I'm not 100% sure about Evans as Cap myself (I too would have liked to see Krasinski) but he's coped well alongside William H. Macy (Cellular), Forest Whitaker (Street Kings) and Donald Sutherland (Fierce People). I reckon he should hold his own with RDJ et al.

 

[captcalhoun]

A war photographer who tags along?

well, the only time he's seen in his war photographer role is when the Americans launch an assault on Iceland to destroy the Nazis war rocket they have aimed at Washington DC.

 

[CaptainCanada]

Replacing Bucky with another man equal in age but inferior in every other way raises the question of why they hang around together, especially since the Bucky character is not a soldier.

The comics have recently said he was a soldier of sorts (and a bit older than earlier depicted). There's nothing to stop the film from making him one.

If Bucky is changed into a handler or fellow soldier, the Bucky story doesn't have the element of justified guilt in the original story. Which asks the question, Why have Bucky at all?

He was Cap's best friend in the war; Cap's sad he (seemingly) died, and he's one of the things he misses in the modern era.

 

[stj]

^^^Oh, a cameo for the fanboys. Then it doesn't matter, and I'll try to remain agnostic on the Ultimates.

 

[Trent Roman]

Translation: The Bucky Barnes character is a kid, improbably placed the action solely for younger readers to identify with. Cap is elder brother-father figure mentor. If you're afraid of cynical viewers murmuring about pedophilia, drop the character. If you want the death of Bucky story, go with the kid, for whom Cap should indeed feel responsible. If you can't believe Cap as a man who'd risk a kid's life, drop Bucky.

Bucky's age doesn't particularly bother me. It wasn't uncommon for men of sixteen and seventeen to be fighting in that conflict--nominally lying about their age, but recruiters and others weren't keen to investigate the truth of the matter if it meant another warm body. As to Bucky's role, it was similar to Cap's: propaganda. Cap was the shining icon of nationalist pride embodied, but the youthful sidekick is the one America's youth could be expect to identify with to motivate them to join up.

Replacing Bucky with another man equal in age but inferior in every other way raises the question of why they hang around together, especially since the Bucky character is not a soldier. At Television Without Pity, there is a game of looking for homosexual overtones, aka HoYay. Having another man attached for no good reason really does have homosexual overtones. If Bucky is changed into a handler or fellow soldier, the Bucky story doesn't have the element of justified guilt in the original story. Which asks the question, Why have Bucky at all?

Thanks for the translation, I guess. For what it's worth, despite any superficial resemblances to some kind of martial, man-boy relationship à la Classical Greece or feudal Japan, I'm not aware that anybody has found anything particularly homoerotic about Cap and Bucky. Theirs is a brotherly, familial relationship.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman