Chick-fil-A digging themselves a hole

[Starbreaker]

My cousin owns a Chick-Fil-A and I happen to like the food. I also respect the fact that they're closed on Sundays to allow employees time with their families and to worship. If we're going to start boycotting companies whose owners/CEOs oppose gay marriage:

Dominos
Walmart
Urban Outfitters
Gold's Gym
Cinemark

the list goes on and on...

Chick-Fil-A is mostly teenagers making minimum wage. It's not some evil corporation.

 

[Brent]

So you've chosen to be a dick. Good for you. Go eat your chicken.

I've chosen to state my opinion, which is what everyone else has done in this thread. I have not made any personal remarks, nor made fun of anyone, nor called anyone names, which apparently you have chosen to do.

Kudos to Chick-Fil-A, I support their statements and will continue to support them as a company. Plus, their food is good.

Support them all the fuck you want. Give them money to fund bigoted anti-gay groups. Be proud that they're openly bigoted, that they openly choose to engage in activities that work to deny same sex couples their rights. Stand on the wrong side of history, and bask in it's flavor.

Name calling. Fuck name calling. If all you give a shit about is name calling, then you have no idea what the fuck is going on in the first place.

J, I've known your posts here for many years, I know you were once somewhat Christian, and that you have openly denied it. I respect your decision and free will to do so, I know where you are coming against Gods word on the subject. I also know you do know Gods word, so you know exactly where I'm coming from on this subject. I really don't think anymore needs to be said about that, you know where I'm coming from based on the Bible, and I know where you are coming from. There is no argument or debate here.

 

[Trekker4747]

Not sarcastic, you aren't missing anything, you are simply trying to discredit my opinion, but you won't succeed.

I know I have the un-popular view in this thread, I understand the tone of posts and replies about to follow based on my remarks.

I understand what you're saying about respecting someone for standing up for their beliefs, but I can't respect that on its own. Their beliefs here are what leads them to fund groups that actively try to curtail the rights of an entire group of people. There's nothing admirable about that.

There's something to be said for standing strong in the face of opposition, but I find it much more admirable when someone can be open-minded and flexible enough to look outside of their own rigid belief structure.

Thank you for the respectable response, I appreciate it when respect is given both ways.

Naturally, it all boils down to the belief system. Chick-Fil-A may not be perfect, no company or individual is, but they've chosen to follow Christians morals as laid out by the Bible. This is also the belief I have chosen as well. I am happy when I see Christians stand their ground on Gods word and follow the Bible on what Jesus tells us is right and wrong. A lot of time, Christians will keep quiet, and especially in the corporate world this is mostly so because they know a big stink will be made about it and they will lose favor with the secular world. I'm happy to see one company who is standing for what's right, and not afraid of the consequences. It is a lesson to all Christians that in this day and age it is important we stand for what's right according to Gods word.

I know this will not be a popular opinion on this forum, but there are Christians out there reading this who know what I mean.

The problem I have is why so many Christian groups so actively and strongly speak out against homosexuality because "God/The Bible is against it." When there's a lot of things that go on in modern society that God and The Bible are against that are accepted every day.

 

[Kestra]

Not sarcastic, you aren't missing anything, you are simply trying to discredit my opinion, but you won't succeed.

I know I have the un-popular view in this thread, I understand the tone of posts and replies about to follow based on my remarks.

I understand what you're saying about respecting someone for standing up for their beliefs, but I can't respect that on its own. Their beliefs here are what leads them to fund groups that actively try to curtail the rights of an entire group of people. There's nothing admirable about that.

There's something to be said for standing strong in the face of opposition, but I find it much more admirable when someone can be open-minded and flexible enough to look outside of their own rigid belief structure.

Thank you for the respectable response, I appreciate it when respect is given both ways.

Naturally, it all boils down to the belief system. Chick-Fil-A may not be perfect, no company or individual is, but they've chosen to follow Christians morals as laid out by the Bible. This is also the belief I have chosen as well. I am happy when I see Christians stand their ground on Gods word and follow the Bible on what Jesus tells us is right and wrong. A lot of time, Christians will keep quiet, and especially in the corporate world this is mostly so because they know a big stink will be made about it and they will lose favor with the secular world. I'm happy to see one company who is standing for what's right, and not afraid of the consequences. It is a lesson to all Christians that in this day and age it is important we stand for what's right according to Gods word.

I know this will not be a popular opinion on this forum, but there are Christians out there reading this who know what I mean.

Well, I'm extremely disappointed and kind of disgusted that you would place your personal beliefs over the rights of other people. And your comment about Christians keeping quiet a lot of the time is kind of ridiculous, considering all the other groups that have faced far more serious consequences than "losing favor".

 

[Amaris]

J, I've known your posts here for many years, I know you were once somewhat Christian, and that you have openly denied it. I respect your decision and free will to do so, I know where you are coming against Gods word on the subject. I also know you do know Gods word, so you know exactly where I'm coming from on this subject. I really don't think anymore needs to be said about that, you know where I'm coming from, and I know where you are coming from.

Yes, you're coming from a close minded, bigoted, poorly comprehended, extremely limited, and rather ignorant understanding of what you believe to be "God's Word".

"Somewhat Christian", my ass.

 

[NebulaClassGuy]

I've chosen to state my opinion, which is what everyone else has done in this thread. I have not made any personal remarks, nor made fun of anyone, nor called anyone names, which apparently you have chosen to do.

Kudos to Chick-Fil-A, I support their statements and will continue to support them as a company. Plus, their food is good.

I agree with you, Brent... I do applaud Chick-fil-A for standing its ground, and like you, I will continue to give them my business, since it IS a privately-owned company, and can do what it wants with its money.

That having been said... I do agree that the CEO's decision to say what he said was extremely, and I emphasize extremely, bad business sense. As a business, your goal is to attract as many customers as you can, and make as much money as you can. That being the case, the very last thing you would ever want to do, is to alienate such a huge swath of your customer base. It's bad strategy, bad marketing, and simply bad business. You just don't anger your customer base.

So, I do support the right of the CEO to have the views he has, but I do think it was remarkably stupid, from a purely business sense. At the end of the day, it was his call, and he made the one he did, and ended up stepping in it. Now he has to decide how (or even if) to deal with the PR from this point forward.

 

[sidious618]

Chick-Fil-A is mostly teenagers making minimum wage. It's not some evil corporation.

It donates to anti-gay groups. That alone makes it "evil."

 

[Brent]

I understand what you're saying about respecting someone for standing up for their beliefs, but I can't respect that on its own. Their beliefs here are what leads them to fund groups that actively try to curtail the rights of an entire group of people. There's nothing admirable about that.

There's something to be said for standing strong in the face of opposition, but I find it much more admirable when someone can be open-minded and flexible enough to look outside of their own rigid belief structure.

Thank you for the respectable response, I appreciate it when respect is given both ways.

Naturally, it all boils down to the belief system. Chick-Fil-A may not be perfect, no company or individual is, but they've chosen to follow Christians morals as laid out by the Bible. This is also the belief I have chosen as well. I am happy when I see Christians stand their ground on Gods word and follow the Bible on what Jesus tells us is right and wrong. A lot of time, Christians will keep quiet, and especially in the corporate world this is mostly so because they know a big stink will be made about it and they will lose favor with the secular world. I'm happy to see one company who is standing for what's right, and not afraid of the consequences. It is a lesson to all Christians that in this day and age it is important we stand for what's right according to Gods word.

I know this will not be a popular opinion on this forum, but there are Christians out there reading this who know what I mean.

The problem I have is why so many Christian groups so actively and strongly speak out against homosexuality because "God/The Bible is against it." When there's a lot of things that go on in modern society that God and The Bible are against that are accepted every day.

I completely agree, it is one issue, among many. I suppose it is just one issue that is brought up a lot today, and with states actively trying to make it legal, it is something that is forefront on our minds.

 

[Trekker4747]

Chick-Fil-A is mostly teenagers making minimum wage. It's not some evil corporation.

So teenagers making minimum wage are responsible for the day-to-day operations of the company as a whole, setting company policies, opening and allow franchises and ensuring the company's public appearance is one that doesn't discriminate?

I have nothing against the kid at my local Chick-Fil-A working for $9/hr. He's a kid there working minimum wage and has no influence on the company's policies. I do have a problem those at "corporate" who make the company's stance on homosexuality so closed minded and bigoted.

I completely agree, it is one issue, among many. I suppose it is just one issue that is brought up a lot today, and with states actively trying to make it legal, it is something that is forefront on our minds.

So you think it is okay for a company to speak out against a group of people and support groups that stand against Americans and their rights? Would you be okay if say we were in the 1950s and CFA spoke out against desegregation? I mean, hell, a lot of that was somewhat rooted in biblical thought and ideals.

Why support a group or company that has an agenda against Americans who simply want the rights and freedoms they deserve, the same many others enjoy, and not be curbed because some book written millennia ago suggests a being that might or might not exist was against it?

As a big fan of Superman I must demand you remove his emblem as your avatar and remove all reference to him in his signature. As you're not in any way, shape, or form representing him well.

 

[Brent]

I've chosen to state my opinion, which is what everyone else has done in this thread. I have not made any personal remarks, nor made fun of anyone, nor called anyone names, which apparently you have chosen to do.

Kudos to Chick-Fil-A, I support their statements and will continue to support them as a company. Plus, their food is good.

I agree with you, Brent... I do applaud Chick-fil-A for standing its ground, and like you, I will continue to give them my business, since it IS a privately-owned company, and can do what it wants with its money.

That having been said... I do agree that the CEO's decision to say what he said was extremely, and I emphasize extremely, bad business sense. As a business, your goal is to attract as many customers as you can, and make as much money as you can. That being the case, the very last thing you would ever want to do, is to alienate such a huge swath of your customer base. It's bad strategy, bad marketing, and simply bad business. You just don't anger your customer base.

So, I do support the right of the CEO to have the views he has, but I do think it was remarkably stupid, from a purely business sense. At the end of the day, it was his call, and he made the one he did, and ended up stepping in it. Now he has to decide how (or even if) to deal with the PR from this point forward.

Yep, it was a bad "worldly" business thing to say, it could end up hurting their business. But, I still commend him for saying it, and I wish more would speak up.

 

[Misfit Toy]

Naturally, it all boils down to the belief system. Chick-Fil-A may not be perfect, no company or individual is, but they've chosen to follow Christians morals as laid out by the Bible. This is also the belief I have chosen as well. I am happy when I see Christians stand their ground on Gods word and follow the Bible on what Jesus tells us is right and wrong. A lot of time, Christians will keep quiet, and especially in the corporate world this is mostly so because they know a big stink will be made about it and they will lose favor with the secular world. I'm happy to see one company who is standing for what's right, and not afraid of the consequences. It is a lesson to all Christians that in this day and age it is important we stand for what's right according to Gods word.

I know this will not be a popular opinion on this forum, but there are Christians out there reading this who know what I mean.

Umm...you don't speak for Christians. Not in any way, shape or form.

Jesus said NOTHING about homosexuality. Being a Christian and supporting someone's rights are not mutually exclusive. You really shouldn't pretend otherwise.

 

[Brent]

I find it funny how people who are against people that have the belief that homosexuality is wrong, get called names. I'm a "bigot" I'm "closed minded" and other names that I've already been called in this thread because I share the beliefs of Chick-Fil-A. I'm not surprised mind you, but note how I've not once called anyone here a name or made fun of their beliefs. I've completely respected their free will to think what they think.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Even though Brent's view is unpopular, and in my view wrong, he is being a lot more civilized about it than others.

 

[Brent]

Naturally, it all boils down to the belief system. Chick-Fil-A may not be perfect, no company or individual is, but they've chosen to follow Christians morals as laid out by the Bible. This is also the belief I have chosen as well. I am happy when I see Christians stand their ground on Gods word and follow the Bible on what Jesus tells us is right and wrong. A lot of time, Christians will keep quiet, and especially in the corporate world this is mostly so because they know a big stink will be made about it and they will lose favor with the secular world. I'm happy to see one company who is standing for what's right, and not afraid of the consequences. It is a lesson to all Christians that in this day and age it is important we stand for what's right according to Gods word.

I know this will not be a popular opinion on this forum, but there are Christians out there reading this who know what I mean.

Umm...you don't speak for Christians. Not in any way, shape or form.

Jesus said NOTHING about homosexuality. Being a Christian and supporting someone's rights are not mutually exclusive. You really shouldn't pretend otherwise.

I'm not sure what you are saying. If you believe in the Bible, and Gods word, then homosexuality is a sin, it's black and white.

 

[Davros]

Thumbs up for Chick-fil-A, glad a company is still willing to stand its ground. Very hard thing to do in this day and age with such pressure on them to follow worldly morals. Why shouldn't Chick-Fil-Al be able to have their own opinion, sounds like persecution to me to ban them from a city because of their views. Not surprised mind you, but kudos to Chick-Fil-A, more people need to stand their ground on their beliefs and not be afraid of the consequences. They will continue to get my money and support.

Is this sarcastic? Am I missing something?

Not sarcastic, you aren't missing anything, you are simply trying to discredit my opinion, but you won't succeed.

I know I have the un-popular view in this thread, I understand the tone of posts and replies about to follow based on my remarks.

So you don't believe all Americans deserve to have equal rights and support those who work towards enacting laws that treat some Americans differently than others. Such opinions already discredit themselves.

I'm not sure what you are saying. If you believe in the Bible, and Gods word, then homosexuality is a sin, it's black and white.

You seem to be forgetting the whole "thou shalt not judge" or "tend to the log in your own eye", "let he who is without sin cast the first stone", and all the other parts of the Bible where it points out that other people's sins are not your problem.

 

[Misfit Toy]

I find it funny how people who are against people that have the belief that homosexuality is wrong, get called names. I'm a "bigot" I'm "closed minded" and other names that I've already been called in this thread because I share the beliefs of Chick-Fil-A. I'm not surprised mind you, but note how I've not once called anyone here a name or made fun of their beliefs. I've completely respected their free will to think what they think.

So what?

 

[Amaris]

I find it funny how people who are against people that have the belief that homosexuality is wrong, get called names. I'm a "bigot" I'm "closed minded" and other names that I've already been called in this thread because I share the beliefs of Chick-Fil-A. I'm not surprised mind you, but note how I've not once called anyone here a name or made fun of their beliefs. I've completely respected their free will to think what they think.

"Yeah, I'm all in favor of restricting rights for same sex couples, and funding organizations that discriminate against them, but at least I didn't call them names."

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

This reminds me of the "boycott BP" thing that went down after the oil spill. I realize that oil spills and LGBT issues aren't close to the same, but the main gist was this: boycotting BP because of the spill, and boycotting all Chick-Fil-A outlets because of this, is it always the right thing to do, because of franchising?

Meaning: If your local Chick-Fil-A is a franchise outlet (and I apologize if I'm using that word incorrectly), as opposed to a company-owned store, are customer dollars still going towards the company as a whole? If your local outlet is a franchise, they keep all the money, don't they? So if you buy from them, your money isn't going towards any discrimination. Right?

(Of course, it's probably not easy to check to see if your local outlet is a franchise vs. a company-owned store.)

Same for BP, in that the reflexive call to boycott BP after the spill was not always guaranteed to hit the corporation in its coffers, since if your local BP station was a franchise, boycotting them will hurt only them and not the corporation as a whole.

If my lack of business sense is showing, please feel free to slap me with a large trout.

 

[Goji]

Even if I *had* ever laid eyes on one of their locations, and even if they *weren't* discriminatory assholes, I'd still hesitate to eat at any restaurant that had a name with so few recognizable, and pronounceable, words.

 

[Brent]

I understand what you're saying about respecting someone for standing up for their beliefs, but I can't respect that on its own. Their beliefs here are what leads them to fund groups that actively try to curtail the rights of an entire group of people. There's nothing admirable about that.

There's something to be said for standing strong in the face of opposition, but I find it much more admirable when someone can be open-minded and flexible enough to look outside of their own rigid belief structure.

Thank you for the respectable response, I appreciate it when respect is given both ways.

Naturally, it all boils down to the belief system. Chick-Fil-A may not be perfect, no company or individual is, but they've chosen to follow Christians morals as laid out by the Bible. This is also the belief I have chosen as well. I am happy when I see Christians stand their ground on Gods word and follow the Bible on what Jesus tells us is right and wrong. A lot of time, Christians will keep quiet, and especially in the corporate world this is mostly so because they know a big stink will be made about it and they will lose favor with the secular world. I'm happy to see one company who is standing for what's right, and not afraid of the consequences. It is a lesson to all Christians that in this day and age it is important we stand for what's right according to Gods word.

I know this will not be a popular opinion on this forum, but there are Christians out there reading this who know what I mean.

Well, I'm extremely disappointed and kind of disgusted that you would place your personal beliefs over the rights of other people. And your comment about Christians keeping quiet a lot of the time is kind of ridiculous, considering all the other groups that have faced far more serious consequences than "losing favor".

It's not my personal beliefs though, when it comes down to it it's God's rules and morals. He has deemed it a sin, and not appropriate. As a follower of Jesus, who has accepted him as his lord and savior, I take the word of God above any word of Man, Gods law and morals first, then Mans. If God has said it's a sin, then it's a sin, and this is what I go with because that's what God wants. His will above mine. I try my best to follow his will.

That is what I believe. I do understand others chose not to believe this. I'm not going to sit here and try to convert you, I'm just explaining myself and where my views come from.