changes in the worm hole

[Hermiod]

^Ah, okay, although I don't see what planetary shift has to do with anything when they were dialling randomly.

They did not know what the symbols meant at the time, after all, so it couldn't have been that they were targeting nearby stars.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

^The location of Abydos (in the "Kalian galaxy") is one of a number of things that were changed when Stargate became a television series. Abydos is the closest planet with a Stargate to Earth in Stargate SG-1, which is the reason why the gate address for it written on the cover stone still worked.

Actually it was ONE of the closest planets, the other one that was mentioned on air was "Earnst's Planet" in "Torment of Tantalus". Another one mentioned in other sources that was viable prior to the realease of "Continuum" was the planet that the Germans found when THEY were experimenting with the gate in the 30s and early 40s.

How the hell would the Germans have gotten the gate. It was probably moved from Eygpt by that point.

 

[Hermiod]

^They couldn't have.

Remember, another important difference between the movie and the series is that Dr. Langford's nationality was retconned, she is clearly an American in the series.

The Stargate was taken directly to the US by Mitchell's grandfather.

The Germans did, however, find the DHD though it fell in to Russian hands after the war.

 

[David cgc]

Well, that's why darkwing_duck1 mentioned it had been ruled out by Continuum. In the SG-1 RPG sourcebook, it was assumed the 'gate was acquired by the Americans during the war, and before that, the Nazis had it along with the Giza DHD (which we already knew they had because that's where the Russians got it). When Continuum had Dr. Langford ship it to the States well before that, the scenario of a lost colony of Nazis settled during early experiments with the stargate was removed, as well.

 

[DWF]

^They couldn't have.

Remember, another important difference between the movie and the series is that Dr. Langford's nationality was retconned, she is clearly an American in the series.

The Stargate was taken directly to the US by Mitchell's grandfather.

The Germans did, however, find the DHD though it fell in to Russian hands after the war.

Where was it stated that they had retconned Dr. Lanford's nationality to American? Catherine knew and spoke to Daniel in German in 1969.

 

[Hermiod]

^Listen to the character in the film and then in one of her appearances on the show.

The ability to speak German does not make you one.

 

[DWF]

^Listen to the character in the film and then in one of her appearances on the show.

The ability to speak German does not make you one.

And niether does an accent or lack there of, unless it was stated somewhere you have nothing to back up that statement.

Just for the record, Viveca Lindfors came from Sweden and Elizabeth Hoffman came from Oregon.

 

[Hermiod]

^Listen to the character in the film and then in one of her appearances on the show.

The ability to speak German does not make you one.

And niether does an accent or lack there of, unless it was stated somewhere you have nothing to back up that statement.

The sudden and complete disappearance of a character's accent suggests a retcon to me. It wouldn't be the only thing they changed between the movie and the series.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

Well, not necessarily. The other two could be closer, though they'd still be unsuitable. Ernest's Planet's stargate was buried when the building was destroyed in the storm, and the apocryphal Nazi Planet is both apocryphal and, even if it wasn't, full of Nazis.

The "Nazi planet" isn't apocryphal. It appeared in AEG's role-playing books which, under their licence agreement, were considered "canon unless contradicted".

"Continuum" changed that though.

 

[Hermiod]

The "Nazi planet" isn't apocryphal. It appeared in AEG's role-playing books which, under their licence agreement, were considered "canon unless contradicted".

"Continuum" changed that though.

The whole idea of a role playing game book being canon was ridiculous to begin with.

For the record, unless you see it happen or hear it described in an episode or one of the DVD movies, it did not happen in the canon Stargate universe.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

^Ah, okay, although I don't see what planetary shift has to do with anything when they were dialling randomly.

They did not know what the symbols meant at the time, after all, so it couldn't have been that they were targeting nearby stars.

They didn't have to...but the Stargate DID.

I'll try to explain:

Give each symbol a number value that represents it's location in space (relative to the point of origin). I'm going to use a single digit, though it SHOULD be a complex 3 axis coordinate. For further ease of demonstration, I'll use the value of 1.

At year 0, the value of the chosen symbol is 1. At year 100, due to the principles of precession, the value of the symbol might be 1.001. At year 500, it would be 1.01. At year 1000, 1.1.

A DHD-linked Stargate had the computing power and programming to automatically re-calculate the value for each symbol, allowing for precession, thus ensuring an accurate "lock on" for calculating the wormhole trajectory. So if you have a DHD, you're all set (and get the "smooth" ride).

Where distance between target and Point of Origin comes in is thus: the closer the target is to the PoO, the less "precessional drift", Illustrated thus below:

*.......* (target actual position)

*...* (target apparent position)

* (PoO)

Note how from PoO perspective, the target appears to be in one place relative to it's "start", but is actually much farther apart than that.

Now, consider that the Stargate, in the absence of a DHD, can still attempt a position lock on a particular symbol. Imagine it like your radio tuner in "seek" mode. The transmitting station is at 97.3, but the seek function will lock on the first interger that produces a strong enough signal at or above the "threshold" for a lock (say, at 97.2, or 97.4, depending on which way you're scanning frequencies).

That is how a Stargate could still "lock" a wormhole without the DHD after 1000s of years of precession, but not QUITE get it right, producing the "rough ride".

Yes, I know...this is geekiness at a whole new level...

 

[darkwing_duck1]

The "Nazi planet" isn't apocryphal. It appeared in AEG's role-playing books which, under their licence agreement, were considered "canon unless contradicted".

"Continuum" changed that though.

The whole idea of a role playing game book being canon was ridiculous to begin with.

For the record, unless you see it happen or hear it described in an episode or one of the DVD movies, it did not happen in the canon Stargate universe.

The agreement that the license holder made with AEG says that it IS canon unless the show specifically contradicts it.

You can choose to ignore it if you wish, but you cannot change it.

There are some other goodies still uncontradicted in whole or in part in the rpg books, like the Sekhmet...

 

[Hermiod]

Yes, I know...this is geekiness at a whole new level...

It's also based on a dialling system that covers the entire galaxy with combinations of 39 symbols. It's not that precise.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

Yes, I know...this is geekiness at a whole new level...

It's also based on a dialling system that covers the entire galaxy with combinations of 39 symbols. It's not that precise.

SHHHH! You're not supposed to uncover the Plot Hole!

Real life you're correct...I was giving the "in universe" explanation, which assumes that the coordinate system makes sense...

 

[Hermiod]

^I understand how the Stargate works "in universe" perfectly well. Out of universe, trying to represent a galaxy believed to contain between 200 and 400 billion solar systems with 39 symbols which are themselves based on imaginary lines drawn in the sky is ridiculous.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

^I understand how the Stargate works "in universe" perfectly well. Out of universe, trying to represent a galaxy believed to contain between 200 and 400 billion solar systems with 39 symbols which are themselves based on imaginary lines drawn in the sky is ridiculous.

Dude, I AGREED with you on that point...

 

[Hermiod]

I'll give them one thing.

The fact that drift of stars away from Earth matters is interesting, as is the fact that the symbols used represent constellations apparently as seen from Earth.