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Challenge for all atheists

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My father used to tell people his ancestor was Chief Squat in the Bushes. Used to make my mother so angry.....:lol: I can still hear her "I wish you would stop telling people that!"

One of my real native ancestors was a man named Old Hopper. My brother said that sounded like the tribe 'drunk'. ;)
 
Once upon a time, twenty years ago, give or take, I believed in god, I went to church, I prayed, I didn't sin, and then several thing's happened: My Grandfather dropped dead from an Aortic Aneurysm, my mother had an affair (and had a child from it) and then my parents divorced and a little while later, I was diagnosed with type one diabetes (plus quiet a few shitty things were happening around the World, the former Yugoslavia and it's bloody war, the Genocide in Rwanda plus numerous other things as I liked to watch and follow current affairs even as a teenager) now all through this, I believed there was a supreme higher being and then I was talking to my local vicar, a man I respected, I liked and he said something that completely shattered my faith, "god moves in mysterious ways and everything he does is for a reason" which I thought was the shittiest and downright ridiculous thing I had heard and then on, I don't believe in a higher being, I don't believe in god (nor satan) but I do believe in humanity, the fact that aspects of us can be the very best thing ever and the most evil.

As for you know, the existence of an imaginary sky being, it was probably just something that came here for the Craic and to for shit and giggles.

Now having said all that, I'm not sure if I had a point beyond I know why I don't believe.
 
That's when you step on their foot, hard. "Can't be mad at me. God obviously wanted it to happen, or it wouldn't have. Clearly, it happened for a reason."
No, because that's when the "man has free will" reason gets trotted out. Can't have God taking credit for the bad things. I mean, even God admits he is the source of evil (Isaiah 45:7), but people forget that.
 
No, because that's when the "man has free will" reason gets trotted out.

I use to work with a guy that I'd have these kinds of religious discussions with. They were all circular, with God doing no wrong.

"God knows how everything is suppose to play out!"
"Then I have no control over the end scenario."
"God created you to know right from wrong!"
"But how can I make a choice if I have no control over the outcome?"
 
I use to work with a guy that I'd have these kinds of religious discussions with. They were all circular, with God doing no wrong.

"God knows how everything is suppose to play out!"
"Then I have no control over the end scenario."
"God created you to know right from wrong!"
"But how can I make a choice if I have no control over the outcome?"
Exactly. It all comes back to always being your fault. God didn't want to hit you, but you made him. You made him hit you, and now you'll be sorry.
 
I use to work with a guy that I'd have these kinds of religious discussions with. They were all circular, with God doing no wrong.

"God knows how everything is suppose to play out!"
"Then I have no control over the end scenario."
"God created you to know right from wrong!"
"But how can I make a choice if I have no control over the outcome?"
If we can ACTUALLY subvert God's will, doesn't that make us more powerful than He is?

Come to think of it, WE altered the entire universe in a way God can't fix. We ARE more powerful.
 
I go away for one day, and I miss 5 pages. :lol:

Although I see the OP hasn't bothered coming back to it in all that time.
One shouldn't bite off more than one can chew. When a house cat challenges a freight train, there are only two possible outcomes for the house cat.
 
I knew it was going to be a driveby in general, I thought he'd try and stir it up a little more than he did.

Or maybe that little prayer to him downstairs last night worked. :shifty:
 
Exactly. It all comes back to always being your fault. God didn't want to hit you, but you made him. You made him hit you, and now you'll be sorry.

There are days that I wish I could buy into "God", "Aliens being responsible for every human achievement", "Alec Peters is making the bestest Star Trek EVAR!!!" Life would be so much simpler. But the logic center of my brain simply won't let go of control.
 
One shouldn't bite off more than one can chew. When a house cat challenges a freight train, there are only two possible outcomes for the house cat.
In all fairness, for any ONE of us, engaging in a battle of wits with 5billion is rather like swatting a fly with a 1983 Ford Thunderbird.

All of us? Probably like swatting a fly with VY Canis Majoris.
 
There are days that I wish I could buy into "God", "Aliens being responsible for every human achievement", "Alec Peters is making the bestest Star Trek EVAR!!!" Life would be so much simpler. But the logic center of my brain simply won't let go of control.

Oh, I forgot to mention: the logic center that God gave me.
 
Part of me thinks the OP might have been a troll because while he (or she) spoke the language it was close enough...but a bit off. I honestly thought it was someone who just wanted to stir up trouble.

Alec Peters is making the bestest Star Trek EVAR!

Heresy!
 
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