Does what include you?
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There is massive stratification to Christianity metered by good old fashioned denomination, as well as personal philosophy and cherry picking.
You're actually saying even a lot more less than you thought you were saying Stardream.
You're actually saying even a lot more less than you thought you were saying Stardream.
You and other UNbelievers are so wrong. Posts like this sadden me.If I were you, I would be very, very careful about speaking against one of God's children, and most importantly, against God.
Doesn't it bother you that the only way God earns our obedience is via the carrot and the stick? That quit working with me when I was five.
If God made Earth a logical place where his actions were grounded in logic, I'd be much more likely to believe.
You're not telling me (or anyone here) anything that we don't already know.
You're actually saying more than you need to.
Whenever people ask me to say grace, I politely accept, bow my head, say "grace", then start eating.
No I was talking about the gloating over the people who are wrong getting it in the end part which I have never seen you do. That sentence did generalize and I should have been more specific, sorry.
It sort of annoys me that I feel bad about not abiding by a hosts customs while visiting their house, like taking my shoes off at the door.
Cool and that's ok. I'm used to being overlooked. Among every group, there are those individuals who seem to grab all the attention...funny that.
It's out of place to be confrontational over what is routine for others, better to just abide as a guest. Because it is so routine any declining tends to be seen that way (confrontational).
But you have a cool spaceship
Dammit, I go away for the weekend and miss all the fun nonsense.
He sounds like Eddie Izzard doing a Richard Mason impression. But that's not his real voice. His real voice sounds like Eddie Izzard doing a high-pitched voice.
Oh believe me, I know. And Indians were so in in the 90s. Once another kid found out I was half Indian it was all spirit animal and vision quest questions, and I'm like, there are like three tribes that have spirit animals and vision quests and mine ain't one of them.
And even if my tribe did have them, I'm an atheist, so I wouldn't have believed in them anyway.
My spirit animal is an angry goth teenager.
Funny story: back before DNA testing, there was a family story that one of my great-grandmothers "carried on" with an Iroquois for a time, and that her children by her husband were actually by him.
So for a very brief time that coincided with my time in Scouting, and preceded my loss of belief in all things spiritual, I got "in" to that sort of thing. Actually went on a self-declared "vision quest", stupidly starved myself, over-exercised, stared into fire in a smoky homemade hut (and probably should have died of smoke inhalation), all that stuff. And I hallucinated quite successfully. Saw a coyote. It spoke to me in the voice of my father. It said: "You're being an idiot." And then my dad dragged me out of the lodge and made me drink juice.
And later it turned out that there's no Native American DNA in my family at all.
^Everyone has a Cherokee Princess in their family tree, didn't you know?! 
BTW, speaking of religion, have you ever seen this? It gives me the giggles every time because Glooscap says "Yo" and Hello Kitty is one of the important Good Things of creation:
My mom kind of tried some of the tribe's beliefs out when we were kids, but she was trying to find religion and that was just one of the many we scoped. We were Jews for awhile, and Catholics, and Buddhists, etc. She eventually realized she was a nonbeliever and stopped trying to convince herself otherwise. She says it changed her whole life and she's never been happier or more at peace.
Recognizing that the universe is just random and has no meaning but that which we give it helped her reconcile my brother's and sister's deaths, and all the other hardships she has faced in life. She used to think she was being punished -- one of the more repellent aspects of religion, in my opinion, (and you find it in a lot of religions with ideas like Karma and Original Sin). Now she knows shit things just happen. I know there are a lot of wonderful and beautiful things about religion that make people happy and help them through rough times too, but there are truly ugly and disturbing things as well, and I think freedom from faith saved my mother's life.
Oh yes! The Indian name! I must have blocked that out, but a couple kids asked me to do that too. Or asked me what my Indian name was and the whole special story of how my name was chosen. I'm like, well, my middle name is Beth after the KISS song...
We're Turtle Mountain Band.
BTW, speaking of religion, have you ever seen this? It gives me the giggles every time because Glooscap says "Yo" and Hello Kitty is one of the important Good Things of creation:
My mom kind of tried some of the tribe's beliefs out when we were kids, but she was trying to find religion and that was just one of the many we scoped. We were Jews for awhile, and Catholics, and Buddhists, etc. She eventually realized she was a nonbeliever and stopped trying to convince herself otherwise. She says it changed her whole life and she's never been happier or more at peace.
Recognizing that the universe is just random and has no meaning but that which we give it helped her reconcile my brother's and sister's deaths, and all the other hardships she has faced in life. She used to think she was being punished -- one of the more repellent aspects of religion, in my opinion, (and you find it in a lot of religions with ideas like Karma and Original Sin). Now she knows shit things just happen. I know there are a lot of wonderful and beautiful things about religion that make people happy and help them through rough times too, but there are truly ugly and disturbing things as well, and I think freedom from faith saved my mother's life.
Cool video. YO! 
And I like how you got your name. I was born on the reservation but didn't grow up there although we did go back every summer. I tell people I'm a 'bad' Indian.
I learned all the creation stories and myths but my favorite were the tales of the little people. They were sort of like...Cherokee leprechauns. Mischevious pranksters.
I was the other way around when it came to religion. Went agnostic for a while but returned to faith and am pretty happy with things at the moment.
And I like how you got your name. I was born on the reservation but didn't grow up there although we did go back every summer. I tell people I'm a 'bad' Indian.
I learned all the creation stories and myths but my favorite were the tales of the little people. They were sort of like...Cherokee leprechauns. Mischevious pranksters.
I was the other way around when it came to religion. Went agnostic for a while but returned to faith and am pretty happy with things at the moment.
People who don't know right from wrong can't follow commands, because they don't understand what obedience and disobedience even ARE. In fact, disobedience can't EXIST until AFTER you acquire the concept. This is why non-idiots don't put handguns where small children can reach them with only the warning of "don't touch!" to protect them. Your god is an abject failure as a parent.
So, basically, He backed off of His promise. He lied.
He knew He couldn't get away with actually killing them, because then there'd be no toys left to play with. Funny thing, though, only the SERPENT told Eve the actual truth. What happened was EXACTLY what It said would happen.
Then God flipped out because he was terrified that Man might then eat from the Tree of Life and "become as God," and that was a HUGE threat, because (just like Sauron) He does not share power.
But being Omniscient, of course, He saw all that coming for all eternity before it happened, so it's REALLY strange that He was surprised or angered or disappointed by it at all. When you KNOW for a FACT your kid is going to shoot himself in the head if you give him your gun, and you give him your gun anyway, there's really no term for just how stupid you really are.
(And who the Hell let the Serpent into Eden anyway? There's so many moron-level cock-ups in Genesis that the only way it makes ANY sense is if God had planned and intended for Humanity to Fall in the first place.)
And then you have to ask, "what about all the descendants of Adam and Eve?" You see, in civilized society, we don't punish children for mistakes their parents or grand parents or great-great-great-great-great-grandparents made. Because that's moronic. That's something you only do if you're a savage, or a Klingon, or an insane, bitter stank-ass of a God.
When I was a kid, In response to one of those old family legends my dad dismissively told me "there's probably no one in America who hasn't been told by a relative that they have Indian blood (his words, more or less)." Five decades later I haven't seen anyone prove him wrong.
Next time this happens, "Ghandi".
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