I wish he freaking WOULD hurt someone. Can you believe how his response to Seska's betrayal was to raise his voice slightly?! What is wrong with this man. Too much herbs in the medicine pouch.
Chakotay.. please don't attack me
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"Wrong tribe."
Actually no.
That machine he uses to create a collective hivemind and talk to Animal spirit guides is obviously a "Pot" machine which electromagnetically stimulates the same areas of the brain that Pot stimulates chemically. I can only assume that his "machine" isn't harmful or addictive, even though the religious aspect to the device means that it is allowed to be very very dangerous in any number of ways without being forbidden or illegal... But Kathryn wouldn't have jacked in if it was going to shrivel her brain or make her trippy for a few hours when there was every likelihood that the ship might be attacked any second.
Although considering the narrative effects, maybe it's more likely that the device is a peyote machine? Peyote is of course a cactus which has psychedelic qualities which is illegal in the US to anyone but Native Americans (it's a little more complicated than that, but hush.).
That machine he uses to create a collective hivemind and talk to Animal spirit guides is obviously a "Pot" machine which electromagnetically stimulates the same areas of the brain that Pot stimulates chemically. I can only assume that his "machine" isn't harmful or addictive, even though the religious aspect to the device means that it is allowed to be very very dangerous in any number of ways without being forbidden or illegal... But Kathryn wouldn't have jacked in if it was going to shrivel her brain or make her trippy for a few hours when there was every likelihood that the ship might be attacked any second.
Although considering the narrative effects, maybe it's more likely that the device is a peyote machine? Peyote is of course a cactus which has psychedelic qualities which is illegal in the US to anyone but Native Americans (it's a little more complicated than that, but hush.).
Chakotay was a laughable hollywood pastiche of an Indian (whose mysterious tribe was never named, IIRC), and I'm rather certain that a sequoia would make a LESS wooden actor.
When he was good, he was REALLY good, like in Scorpion or Unity, but those instances are exceedingly rare, unfortunately.
Someday I'm going to write a fanfic where he starts blathering about "a legend among my people", and Janeway's immediate reaction will be "Chakotay, shut the hell up."
Look at the second YouTube video. His body language is TOTALLY negative. His eyes dart all over the place, and he's trying waaaay too hard to be "nice" and "diplomatic."
HOW a person says something is a much more accurate gauge of the level of truth in what they say than the actual words themselves.
I've read a lot of fanfic about these three (am in the midst of a long one now). What I've noticed is that I really enjoy the C/7 ones. I take or leave the J/7 ones, depending on how "cute" they are. Ditto the B/7. But I guarantee that almost every story I've read where J/C happens... there will be a time (or several dozen times) in the story where Chakotay has tears running down his face because he is just so in love with Kathryn, boo-hoo, sob, sniffle...I am in favor of C/7 (I'll write my treatise on this tomorrow), J/C (obviously there, not even subtext) and J/7 which I think is easily the most interesting.
Not sure what that says about me..
Give me a break.
But I guarantee that almost every story I've read where J/C happens... there will be a time (or several dozen times) in the story where Chakotay has tears running down his face because he is just so in love with Kathryn, boo-hoo, sob, sniffle...
Give me a break.
I love J/C. I love reading the fanfic. There's some great ones out there, IMO. But that's one of the things that drives me mad about a lot of it. Often, Chakotay is
A) A sobbing mess
B) Unreasonably pissed off because Janeway won't get with him and has to throw a freaking fit because she somehow "owes" him a relationship
C) Both
Anyone else think Chakotay was being ridiculous in Year of Hell, when he's telling Tom he can still negotiate with Annorax?
He seemed completely fine with all that rejection in resolutions unless he didn't make Kathy that bathtub until he'd built himself a periscope and a cougarblind.
Baring biggaylove, there was certainly a platonic mancrush that Chuckles was imagining, "transferring" nobility into Annorax he would expect of himself and anyone who he would follow, since he would never follow a dishonourable being then, Annorax could not be a dishourable being, and niether could Janeway no matter the evidence to the contrary
The parrallel can't have been lost on the writers surely?
It was just such a surreal moment.
"He thinks Time is plotting against him!"
"But he lost his family!"
"He thinks Time is plotting against him!"
"But he lost his family!"
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