Spoilers Chakotay and Adreek-Hu

[Timofnine]

So, Captain Janeway and the Dauntless had the mission of rescuing both Chakotay and Adreek-Hu who were stranded in the Delta Quadrant when the Protostar was sent back in to the past (from the future), but Janeway seems to have been distracted by Dal and the gang. If I am not mistaken, Chakotay is currently trapped in the future on 25th century Solum, how could Janeway rescue him?

I can not see a way for the two to be rescued unless time travel is somehow involved. Were Chakotay and Adreek-Hu the only two survivors of the assault and capture of the Protostar? The most simple Star Trek staple to resolve this problem would be for an episode where Chakotay and Adreek-Hu use the Guardian of Forever to travel back to the past, but they might not be able to get to it, so perhaps the Prodigy crew could do so instead along with Janeway. This would introduce new fans to the concept of this 1960’s Star Trek staple plot device which has already been used on Discovery.

What are your ideas or theories about Chakotay and his crew? Perhaps a *new* time travel plot device could be invented?

 

[Deks]

So, Captain Janeway and the Dauntless had the mission of rescuing both Chakotay and Adreek-Hu who were stranded in the Delta Quadrant when the Protostar was sent back in to the past (from the future), but Janeway seems to have been distracted by Dal and the gang. If I am not mistaken, Chakotay is currently trapped in the future on 25th century Solum, how could Janeway rescue him?

She won't be able to.
At least not initially. Janeway isn't even aware of the fact Chakotay is stranded in the future.
I'm thinking the Diviner and Vindicator will inform her that Chakotay was taken prisoner and was stranded in the future.

I can not see a way for the two to be rescued unless time travel is somehow involved. Were Chakotay and Adreek-Hu the only two survivors of the assault and capture of the Protostar? The most simple Star Trek staple to resolve this problem would be for an episode where Chakotay and Adreek-Hu use the Guardian of Forever to travel back to the past, but they might not be able to get to it, so perhaps the Prodigy crew could do so instead along with Janeway. This would introduce new fans to the concept of this 1960’s Star Trek staple plot device which has already been used on Discovery.

What are your ideas or theories about Chakotay and his crew? Perhaps a *new* time travel plot device could be invented?

Well, for Chakotay to be rescued, time travel doesn't NEED to be involved.

So, there are a few options I can think of:

Janeway from 2383 would learn of Chakotay's misfortune (along with the teens) and will effectively enact a plan to rescue him when the time comes in the 25th century.
So from Chakotay's perspective, he would have been rescued shortly AFTER he sent the Protostar through time (and after 'The Order' went through the wormhole to go after it).

My guess is that after this is resolved (and if the weapon is rendered harmless or deactivated), the Protostar with real Janeway and Dauntless might try to retrace Chakotay's initial steps and manage to re-open the anomaly to rescue him and his crew that way (probably with a transporter beam out).

Another alternative would be that in an attempt to rescue Chakotay, the Protostar and its crew end up displaced in a random time frame by trying to use the anomaly (this is a worst/best case scenario which would have removed the Protostar from the equation as an option of harming SF alltogether if the weapon is not destroyed or dealt with), although I doubt that this will occur.

Options to consider.
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[fireproof78]

Janeway, who used time travel to save Chakotay before, is going to use time travel again.

 

[Timofnine]

Janeway from 2383 would learn of Chakotay's misfortune (along with the teens) and will effectively enact a plan to rescue him when the time comes in the 25th century.
So from Chakotay's perspective, he would have been rescued shortly AFTER he sent the Protostar through time (and after 'The Order' went through the wormhole to go after it).

This means that Chakotay would have to live in the future. He might have family and other connections in the past that we do not know about and he may want to get back to them. I guess that he could always find his own way back once rescued in the future if he wanted to, future Janeway could help him get back I suppose, she is good at time travel.

My guess is that after this is resolved (and if the weapon is rendered harmless or deactivated), the Protostar with real Janeway and Dauntless might try to retrace Chakotay's initial steps and manage to re-open the anomaly to rescue him and his crew that way (probably with a transporter beam out).

I like this idea best if they don’t use the Guardian of Forever. I just thought that it was an iconic Star Trek plot device and it would be good for new fans to be introduced to it. If they did travel through the Guardian, future Janeway could be waiting with a ship on the other end as past/future Janeway (or someone) would still remember the events and know to be in the right place at the right time. Future Dal or one of the gang could even help out at the other end? The Guardian planet could be quite far from Solum too, so they would probably need to hitch a lift there and back somehow if they could not take the Protostar. Also, who knows if the anomaly is even stable, as mentioned in the option below - it could deposit the Protostar in *any* time or place. If the Protostar or another ship does go to the future somehow to rescue Chakotay from Solum, the ship could always sling shot back to the past like in Star Trek IV and Picard season 2.

Another alternative would be that in an attempt to rescue Chakotay, the Protostar and its crew end up displaced in a random time frame by trying to use the anomaly (this is a worst/best case scenario which would have removed the Protostar from the equation as an option of harming SF alltogether if the weapon is not destroyed or dealt with), although I doubt that this will occur.

Too much like Voyager or Discovery.

Someone should put all possible options in to envelopes and pick one out of a hat. I guess we will find out over the next few weeks/seasons.

A good cliffhanger to season one would be to have Janeway and the Prodigy crew entering the Guardian of Forever to rescue Chakotay…. or an anomaly, or a sling shot…. then… “To be Continued….” just like the cliffhanger to “Times Arrow, part I” on Devidia II.

 

[Wouter]

The rest of the crew is very likely also on Solum. Since budget is limited, they can't render them all for a short scene in a flashback.

 

[Deks]

The rest of the crew is very likely also on Solum. Since budget is limited, they can't render them all for a short scene in a flashback.

I should hope so.
I'd dread to think that the Protostar launched with only 2 or 3 individuals. I like the fact that more emphasis is being put on automation - especially in the case of self-repair and maintenance, but you'd still need a general crew for other things (among which would probably be being able to protect the ship from outside threats - which of course didn't do much help here, but again, if you crash land on a planet in an area with fanatics that outnumber you in great numbers... it stands to reason you'll be overwhelmed).

 

[Tuskin38]

There was at least one officer on the Protostar who wasn't wearing the Protostar uniform
https://twitter.com/gaghyogi49/status/1600226069512130565

 

[Deks]

There was at least one officer on the Protostar who wasn't wearing the Protostar uniform
https://twitter.com/gaghyogi49/status/1600226069512130565

Indeed.
I hope we'll eventually see just how much of the crew the Protostar originally launched with (and how many are left).

 

[Timofnine]

The rest of the crew is very likely also on Solum. Since budget is limited, they can't render them all for a short scene in a flashback.

They may need to do some flashbacks and flash forwards to show exactly what Chakotay’s mission was/is one day, that may help to explain things. Was it ever explained why Janeway sent him to the Delta Quadrant? I am assuming that it is in some way related to a previous Voyager episode or it could be something new. Do we know which other species were in that part of the Delta Quadrant? A diplomatic/cultural exchange with the Voth who are also from earth for example? The Voth would look cool in this toon and dinosaurs are always cool with younger audiences. They could have some *actual* dinosaurs on the show, not just the bipedal evolutions of the Voth. But maybe the animation team would find dinosaurs a bit too hard to render unless they get a bigger budget?

This is all a loose end that would need wrapping up in order for Chakotay to appear in a Seven of Nine spin-off at some point. If they don’t get him back then it would be hard for Robert Beltran to be in an early 25th century spin-off, unless Seven of Nine went to rescue her old lover and friend one day because Janeway just could not find him? Chakotay and Janeway have some development in Prodigy season two though so I definitely think that Janeway finds him. Chakotay also has had romantic relations with Janeway as well as Seven. This is a complicated ‘socially’ and ‘romantically’ though they are all adults so there should be no issues, I am sure that they can all be friends and keep it professional at the very least.

 

[Tuskin38]

Was it ever explained why Janeway sent him to the Delta Quadrant?

It wasn't stated on screen but in one of the Admiral logs. Doesn't seem to have a specific goal, but just a checkup on the Delta Quadrant, where Voyager had contact with people.

 

[Timofnine]

It wasn't stated on screen but in one of the Admiral logs. Doesn't seem to have a specific goal, but just a checkup on the Delta Quadrant, where Voyager had contact with people.

His first mission on the Protostar could have been to contact the the Voth, after all ‘Distant Origin’ was a Chakotay episode. Chakotay made first contact with the Voth. Chakotay could have been transporting the Voth fossils of their ancestors as a gift, and then he could have related to the gift by talking about his ancestors like he did sometimes on Voyager. So, they could make season 2 a cross between Indiana Jones and Jurassic Park after a trip through the Guardian of Forever. But they probably have better ideas.

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Someone needs to get Chakotay home… he is ‘far from the bones of *his* people’!

 

[fireproof78]

Home is wherever you are.

 

[AnimationAdmiral]

She won't be able to.
At least not initially. Janeway isn't even aware of the fact Chakotay is stranded in the future.
I'm thinking the Diviner and Vindicator will inform her that Chakotay was taken prisoner and was stranded in the future.



Well, for Chakotay to be rescued, time travel doesn't NEED to be involved.

So, there are a few options I can think of:

Janeway from 2383 would learn of Chakotay's misfortune (along with the teens) and will effectively enact a plan to rescue him when the time comes in the 25th century.
So from Chakotay's perspective, he would have been rescued shortly AFTER he sent the Protostar through time (and after 'The Order' went through the wormhole to go after it).

My guess is that after this is resolved (and if the weapon is rendered harmless or deactivated), the Protostar with real Janeway and Dauntless might try to retrace Chakotay's initial steps and manage to re-open the anomaly to rescue him and his crew that way (probably with a transporter beam out).

Another alternative would be that in an attempt to rescue Chakotay, the Protostar and its crew end up displaced in a random time frame by trying to use the anomaly (this is a worst/best case scenario which would have removed the Protostar from the equation as an option of harming SF alltogether if the weapon is not destroyed or dealt with), although I doubt that this will occur.

Options to consider.
.

That’s assuming The Diviner didn’t come from a parallel future timeline like in Enterprise’s Temporal Cold Wars.

 

[Timofnine]

Home is wherever you are.

I disagree. Though I was speaking metaphorically. I see ‘home’ as being an internal ‘place’ where we are happy in our own bodies and mind, no matter where we happen to be physically located at the time. People can live or become trapped in places that are not giving them positive experiences, these places are not their home, even if they have to live there; homes can equally become a punishment or a depressing confinement. If people look past the physical place or location that they call ‘home’ - whether that be a luxury mansion, a small box flat or a rickety hut, the person who is *truly* at home is the person who is happy in their own body and mind no matter where they physically call ‘home’, sometimes not through choice. I do not know how Chakotay feels about this though, but I am sure that he wants to get back.

 

[fireproof78]

I disagree. Though I was speaking metaphorically. I see ‘home’ as being an internal ‘place’ where we are happy in our own bodies and mind, no matter where we happen to be physically located at the time. People can live or become trapped in places that are not giving them positive experiences, these places are not their home, even if they have to live there; homes can equally become a punishment or a depressing confinement. If people look past the physical place or location that they call ‘home’ - whether that be a luxury mansion, a small box flat or a rickety hut, the person who is *truly* at home is the person who is happy in their own body and mind no matter where they physically call ‘home’, sometimes not through choice. I do not know how Chakotay feels about this though, but I am sure that he wants to get back.

Chakotay said his father used to say what I said. That's why I said it. Also, a bit tongue in cheek.

 

[Timofnine]

Chakotay said his father used to say what I said. That's why I said it. Also, a bit tongue in cheek.

This is where me and Chakotay disagree then. Home is where the heart and soul is, not the body and soul. ‘Body and Soul’ also happens to be the title of a Voyager episode, coincidentally.

 

[fireproof78]

This is where me and Chakotay disagree then. Home is where the heart and soul is, not the body and soul. ‘Body and Soul’ also happens to be the title of a Voyager episode, coincidentally.

Well, we all know about consistent Chakotay was

 

[Deks]

That’s assuming The Diviner didn’t come from a parallel future timeline like in Enterprise’s Temporal Cold Wars.

Even if he had, that doesn't change things, does it?

The Temporal Cold Wars DID happen though.
And I'm curious, to which parallel future timeline are you referring to?

My guess is that the Diviner came from the future the prime timeline will either evolve into (aka, Prodigy won't affect any temporal changes to avert Solum's civil war), or, its similar to the future from which Admiral Janeway came from (and is therefore self-contained and separate of the Prime-timeline [but the prime timeline could still evolve into it], so if there are any changes which will affect Solum's future and become part of the Prime timeline, that alternate future will still exist and Chakotay could still be rescued - or its a temporal paradox... aka, its meant to happen either way).

There's a possibility/likelihood that Prodigy will not implement a massive temporal reset button and erase the entirety of the first season (something tells me this is NOT the direction the show is headed for)... plus, Gwyn would still have to exist (unless she's removed as part of the main cast and the voice actress recast into another role).

In that sense, we will either see Solum's civil war averted for the Prime Timeline while preserving Prodigy events, and somehow making amends with the alternate Solum.... or the future will remain unaltered and Solum will still undergo a civil war, but the Diviner and Vindicator will 'somehow' be persuaded to understand that SF didn't destroy Solum... it was the internal conflict between the Vau'N'A'Kat which did that and they come to the realization that SF couldn't interfere, because, even if SF did intervene, it could have created even worse consequences.

In all honesty, we don't know which direction they will go in (if any above is valid to begin with).
Since its a kids show first (which isn't saying much as Prodigy is definitely doing stuff live action would either way), there is a chance we will get a 'happy ending' and Chakotay and his crew will be rescued (eventually).
Or, Chakotay and his crew will remain 'out of reach' until sometime in the 25th century when the UFP can send help to retrieve them.

Plus, it will be interesting to see just how far VADM Janeway will go to rescue Chakotay and his crew.

 

[Timofnine]

The Diviner could have been manipulated by ‘Future Guy’ in to starting a chain of events which would lead to the destruction of Romulus as part of the temporal war. The Vau n’akat civil war could have been manipulated by those with a hidden agenda. They could have read the timeline like Daniel’s could and predicted the chain of events that would unfold across time periods. A faction in the temporal Cold War could even have opened up the anomaly which sent the Protostar in to the future. The Diviner could have been manipulated like Silik and the Suliban were by Future Guy. Future Guy might have been relying on Dal flying the Protostar and the Living Construct in to the Romulan sun in order to protect the Federation, and by doing so inadvertently destroying Romulus via a slow burn supernova which would wipe them out as a faction in the temporal Cold War in the far future.

Someone else from the future might need to warn Dal and the gang, but I think that Dal would have figured out not to fly the Protostar in to the Romulan sun to destroy the Living construct so perhaps he has temporal intuition like the Borg Queen and Guinan?

 

[fireproof78]

Plus, it will be interesting to see just how far VADM Janeway will go to rescue Chakotay and his crew.

I mean, it took Admiral Jellico and a direct order to keep her from violating the Romulan Neural Zone. My initial response to this is that she will go to quite extensive lengths.