- Found this on Facebook the other day, and couldn't help but laugh.
CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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Also, just came in the mail today:
Dear Axanar Supporter:
As part of the Star Trek community, we want to ask you to support the officially licensed Star Trek museum, Trekcetera! They need our help! Here are the details.
Trekcetera, the CBS-licensed Star Trek museum in Alberta, Canada
Earlier this year, Trekcetera moved from the town of Vulcan (no joke, that is the name of the town they were founded in) to Drumheller (a big tourist town), an hour and fifteen minutes outside of Calgary. The move has been a huge boon to the museum, which, in the first 5 months in Drumheller, has TRIPELED their entire gross income from 2016 in Vulcan and is already profitable.
And with a huge Dinosaur museum in town that draws almost half a million people a year, Trekcetera expects to keep growing. There was a reptile museum that drew 40,000 attendees a year, and so Trekcetera's expectations of 12,000 attendees in 2018, its first full year in Drumheller, is entirely reasonable.
THE TEAM
Devan J Daniels and Michael Carl Mangold are huge Star Trek fans. In 2013 they took their love of Star Trek and created Trekcetera in Vulcan, Alberta, Canada and soon thereafter got a license from CBS for Star Trek.
They have been well known members of the Star trek prop & costume collecting community for over 10 years. They have literally put their entire life savings into the museum.
THE CHALLENGE
The museum has taken on a lot of debt because of the move and is in the middle of restructuring that debt with the lender as the debt burden is too much to support until the museum grows in its new location. The lender has agreed to restructure their debt, but the museum needs our help now!
WHAT THEY NEED
Trekcetera needs $ 10,000 in order to prevent a loan from defaulting, and if they get it, the lender has agreed to restructure the entire debt. So we are trying to make sure that the Trekcetera museum gets to fulfill its potential. Yesterday, fans donated over $ 2,500 and Devan and Michael raised another $ 5,000.
So we are close!
And while GoFundMe won't distribute immediately, if the campaign hits the total needed Tuesday, Devon and Michael will be able to get the bank to cover the loan payment until the money hits their account.
Please go to their GoFundMe page and donate!
Thanks for your support!
Alec
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Dear Axanar Supporter:
As part of the Star Trek community, we want to ask you to support the officially licensed Star Trek museum, Trekcetera! They need our help! Here are the details.
Trekcetera, the CBS-licensed Star Trek museum in Alberta, Canada
Earlier this year, Trekcetera moved from the town of Vulcan (no joke, that is the name of the town they were founded in) to Drumheller (a big tourist town), an hour and fifteen minutes outside of Calgary. The move has been a huge boon to the museum, which, in the first 5 months in Drumheller, has TRIPELED their entire gross income from 2016 in Vulcan and is already profitable.
And with a huge Dinosaur museum in town that draws almost half a million people a year, Trekcetera expects to keep growing. There was a reptile museum that drew 40,000 attendees a year, and so Trekcetera's expectations of 12,000 attendees in 2018, its first full year in Drumheller, is entirely reasonable.
THE TEAM
Devan J Daniels and Michael Carl Mangold are huge Star Trek fans. In 2013 they took their love of Star Trek and created Trekcetera in Vulcan, Alberta, Canada and soon thereafter got a license from CBS for Star Trek.
They have been well known members of the Star trek prop & costume collecting community for over 10 years. They have literally put their entire life savings into the museum.
THE CHALLENGE
The museum has taken on a lot of debt because of the move and is in the middle of restructuring that debt with the lender as the debt burden is too much to support until the museum grows in its new location. The lender has agreed to restructure their debt, but the museum needs our help now!
WHAT THEY NEED
Trekcetera needs $ 10,000 in order to prevent a loan from defaulting, and if they get it, the lender has agreed to restructure the entire debt. So we are trying to make sure that the Trekcetera museum gets to fulfill its potential. Yesterday, fans donated over $ 2,500 and Devan and Michael raised another $ 5,000.
So we are close!
And while GoFundMe won't distribute immediately, if the campaign hits the total needed Tuesday, Devon and Michael will be able to get the bank to cover the loan payment until the money hits their account.
Please go to their GoFundMe page and donate!
Thanks for your support!
Alec
DONTATE TODAY!
Huh...
Okay. So what's the angle here? AP selling all his memorabilia to this thing? If it's an "officially licensed Star Trek museum", how is he involved? I hardly think he's doing this out of altruism. Where's the money going?
Paging Dr. Carlos...
Okay. So what's the angle here? AP selling all his memorabilia to this thing? If it's an "officially licensed Star Trek museum", how is he involved? I hardly think he's doing this out of altruism. Where's the money going?
Paging Dr. Carlos...
Well, the contact address is:
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Good friggin' lord this guy. It's like he wakes up in the morning and decides which group of people or individual persons on his check list, he wants to piss off.
You know, if somebody was so inclined, they could sum up the information, gives proper links, and e-mail it to composer Joel McNeely via his website (he reads his e-mails); he's still scoring the series, so he could theoretically pass this along to Seth.....
You know, if somebody was so inclined, they could sum up the information, gives proper links, and e-mail it to composer Joel McNeely via his website (he reads his e-mails); he's still scoring the series, so he could theoretically pass this along to Seth.....
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I'm guessing that's Bawdenland (TM).Well, the contact address is:
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Very different rides from Disneyland.
I see what you've done with your week and a half off.Well, the contact address is:
Axanar Productions | 5012 State Street, Bettendorf, IA 52722
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(probably 3 hours total, knowing Randy)
Hey, I've only been back online for a week and a half. Quadruple bypass wasn't a cake walk. 
It gets better.
And the kicker, for anyone who didn't click on the GoFundMe link?
Yeah, that's right, Axaphant Reece and Mr. Mike were responsible for these shenanigans. Gee, I wonder why CBS would have had a problem with this little fundraiser.
It gets better.
And the kicker, for anyone who didn't click on the GoFundMe link?
Yeah, that's right, Axaphant Reece and Mr. Mike were responsible for these shenanigans. Gee, I wonder why CBS would have had a problem with this little fundraiser.
To paraphrase a certain country doctor, "I'd give real money to shut those assholes up."
When will they ever learn?These folks have built up a legit Trek collection since the auctions 10 years ago, and built a Trek museum from scratch in Vulcan CA. The base information in the fundraiser does not look bogus at all, and their project has been widely covered over the years. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/star-trek-museum-vulcan-moves-1.3754966 . I can't see any way they would be connected with Axanar financially. This is probably Axanar doing a good turn with its mailing list so as to help, and rebuild some credibility with their donors by association with legit causes.
In all likelihood they looked for help and Alec's team responded. They certainly would have had contact with Alec through the many Trek auctions Propworx ran.
With any luck they can keep the downside of Axanar business strategies and reputation and blogger excess separate from their own operation.
If there is an angle motivating Alec above trying to help out fellow collectors (a legit motive I'd think), it could be (my speculation only at this point) making a display case for Axanar so that Alec can have it memorialized somewhere in the world that his effort was "real" Trek. And if they were to pursue such an idea, I wouldn't agree with the decision, but I wouldn't be hard on them. Look at what they are doing overall and how few people do it.
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As for CBS telling Trekcetera to take down their GoFundMe, there is just one reason that crowdsourcing has become such a sensitive subject with CBS/P. These studios have been FORCED to dry up that spigot for Trek fans/businesses because of the wild excess of Alec.
Further, it might be that Trekcetera getting PR'd by Alec is explicitly what led to the demand.
Whatever, it is unfortunate and a lasting legacy of Alec's choices.
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Ayup.
Crowdfunding will be regulated - eventually. Even with Republican majorities in both houses, they'll be spurred to action for major fraud cases and/or crowdfunded products which maim or kill.
Wrt/ the Axamonitor article on Trekcetera, the thing that catches my eye is the claim by the fundraising project that the GoFundMe is by 'friends of Trekcetera', not Trekcetera itself.
If this is how it was done, it may have been a problem. It seems likely to me that this was a formulation suggested by Axanar's business team, since they have constantly tried to formulate their use of crowdsourcing to sidestep IP owners' rights and avoid direct accountability (for example most recently, raising money for 'the studio' and then letting donors 'vote' to use it on the settlement-precluded 'no Axanar crowdfunding' purpose).
The Trekcetera people were probably involved on a basis of trust that they would be given the money and trust that the fundraising strategy would be responsible. My own guess is they would not have been able to see anything that could go wrong or be wrong with a 'friends of' campaign in the context of Axanar.
Axanar just brings a boiling storm of flying debris right behind it wherever it goes, it seems. Not that surprising given all the donors and professionals and corporations it has made angry.
If this is how it was done, it may have been a problem. It seems likely to me that this was a formulation suggested by Axanar's business team, since they have constantly tried to formulate their use of crowdsourcing to sidestep IP owners' rights and avoid direct accountability (for example most recently, raising money for 'the studio' and then letting donors 'vote' to use it on the settlement-precluded 'no Axanar crowdfunding' purpose).
The Trekcetera people were probably involved on a basis of trust that they would be given the money and trust that the fundraising strategy would be responsible. My own guess is they would not have been able to see anything that could go wrong or be wrong with a 'friends of' campaign in the context of Axanar.
Axanar just brings a boiling storm of flying debris right behind it wherever it goes, it seems. Not that surprising given all the donors and professionals and corporations it has made angry.
Did Alec just puffery his way out of his latest corporate sponsorship?
https://t.co/Jw7K6uJM1v
What an unfortunate coincidence to show his arrogance about threatening gun violence at this very moment, too -- just before or just after the events in LV. Not that it's ever acceptable. Probably will make it very hard for OWC to let it pass. Especially if it was posted in the hours immediately following that event.
If that's the case, then the timing would be PR disaster. I can't tell from the timestamp and the '4 hr ago' when the original was posted. For Alec's sake, it better be before the LV news broke and not after having seen news of it.
Before would just (!) make him the fan speaking for you as an admin on a FB group who openly talks about his detractors getting shot next to a display of his own target practice wall; after would look incredibly worse.
Both would make it very uncomfortable for any media operation to countenance him being associated in any way, I should think.
Just unbeleivable.
https://t.co/Jw7K6uJM1v
What an unfortunate coincidence to show his arrogance about threatening gun violence at this very moment, too -- just before or just after the events in LV. Not that it's ever acceptable. Probably will make it very hard for OWC to let it pass. Especially if it was posted in the hours immediately following that event.
If that's the case, then the timing would be PR disaster. I can't tell from the timestamp and the '4 hr ago' when the original was posted. For Alec's sake, it better be before the LV news broke and not after having seen news of it.
Before would just (!) make him the fan speaking for you as an admin on a FB group who openly talks about his detractors getting shot next to a display of his own target practice wall; after would look incredibly worse.
Both would make it very uncomfortable for any media operation to countenance him being associated in any way, I should think.
Just unbeleivable.
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Yeah, this is pretty much the worst possible time to be bringing up shooting someone. I really hope for Alec's sake it was posted before the Vegas shooting, because if not them Alec has really proven himself to be pretty much the lowest form of human garbage there is.
Has Carlos really done that stuff Alec is claiming? I find it a hard to believe he would be that much of a hypocrite since he's the one who's been calling out Peters for doing that kind of shit.
Has Carlos really done that stuff Alec is claiming? I find it a hard to believe he would be that much of a hypocrite since he's the one who's been calling out Peters for doing that kind of shit.
It really is a shame that what appears to be a legit business has gotten dragged into all of the Axanar BS. But if they knew who Alec and the Axanar team were and got involved with them anyway, then they did kind of bring it on themselves. I'm sorry but at this point you'd have to be pretty stupid if you knew who Alec was and what he's done, and still go involved with him or his people on a Trek related project.
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