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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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Jedman67 said:
Are these people real?
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You betcha. Slip in the small truth ("I don't personally know how the money was spent and I am waiting till he releases his financials", and "he's done nothing to make me a hater") to misdirect readers by unstated implication into the big lie ("no one can know what happened to the money until he releases his financials" and stage 2, "nothing wrong was done with the financials, cause he's such a nice guy and all the criticism/contrary information is just from 'haters' who are disgusting on an abstract level").

How to detect: apply the "yes, but" test. Are you screaming to interrupt their chain of reasoning?

These arguments aren't necessarily from intention. They can arise as rationalization to cover laziness.
 
Philip Guyott said:
Yes, and elsewhere he's also saying that the 1/3 raised has gone to the cost of renting the studio over the last year, so they don't have any money left.

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So Alec is saying in effect that the studio couldn't have reached self supporting level even with all the donations to date.

He didn't even have a film to finish last year, which he would have had to spend on otherwise. He had all that money to put into the studio to make it self supporting, over and atop any planned skim from the donations. He still couldn't do it with *all* the money.

So the above rent expense by necessity was BUILT IN to the donation plans as having to come from donations throughout the year. It would have happened even more severely if the film was made.

Clearly the expectation was that a whole bunch MORE donations would be available last year to finish the studio and pay for its rent.

The rent wasn't an uncontrolled external factor that somehow arose from the court case and ate up the *prior* donations.

WHOSE
FAULT
IS
THAT ???

There is a business model where more and more people buying in are required in order to pay out the benefits assigned to those who came before them. It eats up its capital and crashes when the infinite pool of additional money dries up, leaving the late coming investors holding the bag.

Just sayin...
 
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muCephi said:
You betcha. Slip in the small truth ("I don't personally know how the money was spent and I am waiting till he releases his financials", and "he's done nothing to make me a hater") to misdirect readers by unstated implication into the big lie ("no one can know what happened to the money until he releases his financials" and stage 2, "nothing wrong was done with the financials, cause he's such a nice guy and all the criticism/contrary information is just from 'haters' who are disgusting on an abstract level").

How to detect: apply the "yes, but" test. Are you screaming to interrupt their chain of reasoning?

These arguments aren't necessarily from intention. They can arise as rationalization to cover laziness.
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I meant to say, are these real people or Axa-bots? :p
 
KennyB said:
Funny, I saw Peters explaining on the Indigogo page how they only raised 1/3 of the funds they needed to complete the film........seriously?
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Yes, I remember them being quite clear shortly before the lawsuit dropped that they'd need more fundraising to achieve what they wanted even though they'd had over a million dollars already. They were transparent, see?
 
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I'm still amazed that after all the waste of donor funds, after a year long lawsuit, after all the examples of fan films available as examples and after all the "haters" have pointed out the difference, Alec still doesn't understand the concept behind a fan film.
 
dmac said:
I'm still amazed that after all the waste of donor funds, after a year long lawsuit, after all the examples of fan films available as examples and after all the "haters" have pointed out the difference, Alec still doesn't understand the concept behind a fan film.
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He does. He is just a liar and using trusting people to fund his living expenses.
 
muCephi said:
There is a business model where more and more people buying in are required in order to pay out the benefits assigned to those who came before them. It eats up its capital and crashes when the infinite pool of additional money dries up, leaving the late coming investors holding the bag.
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Is there a name for this "business model" of which you speak? ;)
 
OtherGene said:
Yes, I remember them being quite clear shortly before the lawsuit dropped that they'd need more fundraising to achieve what they wanted even though they'd had over a million dollars already. They were transparent, see?
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At least if they'd had the majority of sets completed and started serious filming, and had a cast lined up if not contracted for both parts, then yeah.
 
KennyB said:
Funny, I saw Peters explaining on the Indigogo page how they only raised 1/3 of the funds they needed to complete the film........seriously?
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Yea, they sold a film, THEN added a studio, THEN said it would be released in multiple funding segments. Eventually, one imagines, they'd have to build the actual starships before filming.
 
dmac said:
I'm still amazed that after all the waste of donor funds, after a year long lawsuit, after all the examples of fan films available as examples and after all the "haters" have pointed out the difference, Alec still doesn't understand the concept behind a fan film.
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You know, in what I have seen of his statements since the settlement I don't believe I have seen him say "we are making a fan film". Maybe I missed some change of heart, but that term seems to require a modesty of goals and reach that is a challenge for Axanar Productions to accept.
 
muCephi said:
You know, in what I have seen of his statements since the settlement I don't believe I have seen him say "we are making a fan film". Maybe I missed some change of heart, but that term seems to require a modesty of goals and reach that is a challenge for Axanar Productions to accept.
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If you do good work, good things will happen for you. It doesn't matter much if you write a Space adventure in a Star Trek, Buck Rogers or even your own voice. If it's good people will take notice and if it's in your own voice, then you get to build an industry around it.
As a conservative and a writer I understand my works will never be popular, NPR is probably catching heck today for airing one of my pieces last night but at least the studio didn't have to raise a cent to create it.
I've considered that Alec may not have a lot of faith in his epic movie, even pre lawsuit. If it were to turn out a soap opera loaded with pointless space pew-pew, that spotlight he enjoys isn't going to shine so brightly on him anymore.
 
BillJ said:
Why wouldn't you be popular? There are a heck of a lot of conservatives out there that buy entertainment.
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Probably a topic better suited for another thread but to put it quickly, I see a lot that also disengage from the entertainment field altogether.
 
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