CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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Are we sure it wasn't a chair sold at auction by Propworx to Axanar for $2,000?It was a $20 folding chair. The other $1,980 was for shipping and handling.
I just posted a small book (757 words) in reply to the thread: News Axanar Lawyers: It’s A Mockumentary. I'm not going to cross-posted it here. Here's the link: http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/axanar-lawyers-it’s-a-mockumentary.285125/
Feel free to tell me where I went wrong.
Feel free to tell me where I went wrong.
So Alec hasn't made a cent off of Axanar? Then in a situation like this, if it were to happen, does he pass on every penny of a sale price to the prop owner, taking no donor-paid commissions or markups into the assets of his company Propworx? And if he already owns the chair through Propworx buying it from somewhere, does he then donate the money back into the Axanar budget without taking anything except a claim to donors that he 'donated' 2000 of 'his' money to Axanar? And no shipping charges?
Or does he perhaps just lend the prop to Axanar, and not take any credit or money to start with? After all, who would take better care of a prop bridge chair than a superfan sitting it it in his own movie? He could sell it later for beaucoup too.
The chair was bothering me when I saw it on the list because I didn't remember seeing a Captain's chair in the flick. The other thing, there are several outsourced studio services listed on the $130,000 + dollar statement and I'm not sure they show up in the credits.
While working double shifts I don't have the time to tract them all down and match them up and it probably has little bearing on the lawsuit anyway.
While working double shifts I don't have the time to tract them all down and match them up and it probably has little bearing on the lawsuit anyway.
Hm. Twelve thousand, plus the faithful donors. Moebius statistics, worth the one sided paper they are written on and offering both sides in the same words. What gems from Axanar.
Oops, I did it again. I read Fan Film Factor, albeit briefly. I think this might be similar to porn addiction. I know it's wrong but...
http://fanfilmfactor.com/2016/11/30...ition-briefs-in-the-axanar-lawsuit/#more-2770
Anyway, believe it or not way down in the comments section Mr Lane actually typed the following sentence...
"But just because Alec MADE money does not mean the studios LOST money."
Mr Lane is clearly the mate who you shouldn't share secrets with because he can't help but blab them everywhere.
http://fanfilmfactor.com/2016/11/30...ition-briefs-in-the-axanar-lawsuit/#more-2770
Anyway, believe it or not way down in the comments section Mr Lane actually typed the following sentence...
"But just because Alec MADE money does not mean the studios LOST money."
Mr Lane is clearly the mate who you shouldn't share secrets with because he can't help but blab them everywhere.
A random thought occurred to me this morning. The general defence being taken over the money situation seems to be that if the money goes into the Axanar production budget, then there's no financial benefit. Its going towards the production of Axanar and not lining anyone's pockets.
Lets also take the assertion at face value that Axanar was in the strictest sense a fan film (nonsense, but lets go with it).
Now to me, the core of a fan film, is that its a hobby. A labour of love. And the essence of a hobby is that I invest my time and money into something I enjoy.
So that being said, doesn't any money at all going into the Axanar budget, whether Kickstarter, direct donations, or a passing kindly millionaire, represent CBS's stated case of direct financial benefit? Alec's not had to pay for his fan film. Someone else has. He's enjoyed someone else paying for his hobby. Therefore shouldn't the "its all gone towards Axanar" defence fall apart?
Lets also take the assertion at face value that Axanar was in the strictest sense a fan film (nonsense, but lets go with it).
Now to me, the core of a fan film, is that its a hobby. A labour of love. And the essence of a hobby is that I invest my time and money into something I enjoy.
So that being said, doesn't any money at all going into the Axanar budget, whether Kickstarter, direct donations, or a passing kindly millionaire, represent CBS's stated case of direct financial benefit? Alec's not had to pay for his fan film. Someone else has. He's enjoyed someone else paying for his hobby. Therefore shouldn't the "its all gone towards Axanar" defence fall apart?
From the set photos they've shown, they have two. An authentic reproduced TOS captain's chair, and a more modern/updated (and unfinished) version for the USS Ares.
I believe you meant "Brexit" instead of "Bretix", who could be a distant cousin of Asterix.
Nice use of a comma there, @muCephi . Do you tell me I should have inserted an "of"? Or do you call it "transformative"?
Yep.
Crowdfunding a fan film, by itself, is kinda problematic. Plaintiffs have given a lot of leeway in this area (as have other IP holders, FWIW). It's not like things were 30 years ago or even 5, when you had to pony up for everything from costumes to cameras. And you might get some help from friends who would buy everyone a six-foot sub or the like. Crowdfunding creates a big leagues (when in reality, most of it's not, when compared to licensed stuff) feel and the numbers go up.
As Van Citters said, it turned into an arms race.
The missing word that completes Axanar's business model is "eventually".
The money eventually will, in effect, go into a production budget for SF films for the donors..
after it has seeded a money printing studio that in its excess value downtime has the bandwidth to make SF films someday
after the IRS has allowed tax write offs captured into something other than the film budget, for donation paid expenses not going to the making of the film
after years of leveraged value of the money is exploited in ways like eliminating the overhead costs of unrelated businesses
... you get the idea
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There's only one word for that...huh?
As for the mysterious Captains chair, it's clearly in the scene where Captain Alexander is walking thru the ruined Bridge which is in flames. You have to sort of squint and turn your head sideways to see it, but it's there. If it's a Tuesday!
Want some toast?There's a push on FB to reject the "Panel of Experts" filtered explanation of the tax-ready financials, in favor of immediately seeing the financials themselves. Backed by "where's the money?".
Did someone say "toast"?
He'll just brand those folks as haters and ban them.
So that's 8000-(nnn haters) =???
Enough visibility of the argument among donors, though, and it can undermine the credibility of donors receiving only an 'edited, explained' version of the numbers.
^^^There's a push on FB to reject the "Panel of Experts" filtered explanation of the tax-ready financials, in favor of immediately seeing the financials themselves. Backed by "where's the money?".
Did someone say "toast"?
That comment made me think of Mr. Peters is this way:
I don't know wht, maybe my blood sugar is low?
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