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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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nx1701g said:
I don't know if this was previously mentioned but the new Newsweek celebrating the 50th Anniversary has an article about Star Trek Fan Productions and, specifically, Axanar. Included in it is a large image of Alec.

I immediately put it back on the shelf when I saw it...
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Funny. I bought the TWOK DC blu ray last night and while watching the special features there was a section on prop collecting and who should turn up? His Lord Shitness himself. Imagine a 42 inch version of his mug staring at you.

I had to go bleach my eyes.
 
SalvorHardin said:
Sorry to go off topic again but... :rommie:

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Another STD?! He's already got Alec Peters!

Is Peters due at the creation con? He needs to be stopped - hre hijacked the BSG panel. Outsiders think this is CBS cracking down on Fan Trek in order for their own to stand out, I did for about 24hrs until I read up on what Alec actually has done, taken tens of thousands of dollars to form a film studio.

The main problem is there are still thousands out there who, granted are quite ignorant of the true nature of the situation, so Alec is still getting support and is able to appear at events and promote his cause - HOW DO WE STOP HIM?!

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I love how this highlights the growth of production. the 80s productions to Hidden Frontier to NV to Renegades which is interesting but sadly people have taken advantage of it.
 
I just thought of something about Star Trek Discovery - the ship is an older design (NCC-1031) so what if CBS is going to do their own storyline involving Captain Garth?

Not that I care. It is their IP and their right. I just don't want to hear the Axanar people's comments.
 
Danlav05 said:
Outsiders think this is CBS cracking down on Fan Trek in order for their own to stand out, I did for about 24hrs until I read up on what Alec actually has done, taken tens of thousands of dollars to form a film studio.
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That was me exactly. My first -and Big- reaction what 'What the heck are they (CBS) DOING to this production?!!! Bad studio! How can I help?!!!'

Trying to figure out How I could help I began an in-depth read of what was going on - with the intention to help - and, like you, within about days I started thinking 'Wait a minute. What is this guy trying to pull? *I* would sue him and get him shut down if I owned Star Trek.'
 
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So Newsweek's feature about fan films focuses on the one fan who failed to film anything? :wtf:

Also, I hate to say, I like the Ares a whole lot better than the Discovery from the promo. Love the name, hate the triangle.
 
Wetworth said:
So Newsweek's feature about fan films focuses on the one fan who failed to film anything? :wtf:

Also, I hate to say, I like the Ares a whole lot better than the Discovery from the promo. Love the name, hate the triangle.
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I have to very reluctantly agree re: Ares v Discovery's looks. Hopefully Discovery will grown on me with time.
 
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It is disappointing, but not shocking, to see the Reason Foundation behind this sort of propaganda. I was an occasional contributor to Reason.com in years past. Unfortunately, the current editorial leadership lacks a sense of ethics or even a commitment to honest journalism.
 
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oswriter said:
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It is disappointing, but not shocking, to see the Reason Foundation behind this sort of propaganda. I was an occasional contributor to Reason.com in years past. Unfortunately, the current editorial leadership lacks a sense of ethics or even a commitment to honest journalism.
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It almost sounds, ironically, like emotion triumphed over reason.
 
RedForman said:
It almost sounds, ironically, like emotion triumphed over reason.
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More like prepackaged narrative triumphed over reason. Reason's editors like to alter facts to fit their predetermined worldview. Which I suppose makes them no different than most media outlets, except that libertarians love to lecture the rest of us on how "principled" they are.
 
Danlav05 said:
...until I read up on what Alec actually has done, taken tens of thousands of dollars to form a film studio. ...
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Hundreds of thousands. If you heard the phrase tens of thousands somewhere, it was likely Axanar discussion jamming. The exact accounting is not public but you can see items in the goals and stretch goals of the second kickstarter that could easily go over 250k for the infrastructure for the permanent facility. Axamonitor.com also has budget breakouts.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/194429923/star-trek-axanar/description
 
Wetworth said:
Also, I hate to say, I like the Ares a whole lot better than the Discovery from the promo. Love the name, hate the triangle.
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I think all they'd have to do is put a concave curve into the leading edges of the wedge to resolve the visually dissonant geometry. Wouldn't have to be all that much. "The modern age" is trained to expect streamlining of their vessels traveling in warp bubbles in vacuum.
 
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oswriter said:
More like prepackaged narrative triumphed over reason. Reason's editors like to alter facts to fit their predetermined worldview. Which I suppose makes them no different than most media outlets, except that libertarians love to lecture the rest of us on how "principled" they are.
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That said, I wonder about their motives/what they stand to gain by continuing to support LFIM? The evidence is clear cut and the movie is never going to get made. Continuing to badmouth C/P and push a predetermined worldview/agenda makes them little more than a clickbait repository (like Gawker?)
 
RedForman said:
That said, I wonder about their motives/what they stand to gain by continuing to support LFIM? The evidence is clear cut and the movie is never going to get made. Continuing to badmouth C/P and push a predetermined worldview/agenda makes them little more than a clickbait repository (like Gawker?)
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IP is deeply unpopular in libertarian circles. That's the primary motive. Reason's editors also can't seem to resist any opportunity to portray white male bullies as victims of "political correctness" or the government.
 
oswriter said:
IP is deeply unpopular in libertarian circles. That's the primary motive. Reason's editors also can't seem to resist any opportunity to portray white male bullies as victims of "political correctness" or the government.
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Alec keeps letting people give him stuff in exchange for a chance to attach their own agendas to Star Trek via the Axanar hook. The attorneys want *something*, the libertarians want another context for their ideology, Newsweek wants to sell magazines, some of the Axanar donors want to own a Trek sandbox of their own, some want to dump on the JJVerse, Alec wants a studio, on and on. Everything except just making a fan film and finishing.

This I think is the threat the Axanar side wants to play -- the clean simplicity of your studio property has value, and we will just keep making a bigger rolling boulder of $%^& for you to clean up if you drag us into court. Axanar just might be able to get the studios to settle for an undisclosed monetary judgment and a stipulation to GTFO of Trek forever. And claim to donors that the arguments were a valiant attempt to achieve fan ownership, not just to save the studio asset from scorched earth repossession.

Guess it depends whether the studios want to set a precedent that building a competing business off of their IP is guaranteed to be flattened.
 
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muCephi said:
Alec keeps letting people give him stuff in exchange for a chance to attach their own agendas to Star Trek via the Axanar hook. The attorneys want *something*, the libertarians want another context for their ideology, Newsweek wants to sell magazines, some of the Axanar donors want to own a Trek sandbox of their own, some want to dump on the JJVerse, Alec wants a studio, on and on. Everything except just making a fan film and finishing.

This I think is the threat the Axanar side wants to play -- the clean simplicity of your studio property has value, and we will just keep making a bigger rolling boulder of $%^& for you to clean up if you drag us into court. Axanar just might be able to get the studios to settle for an undisclosed monetary judgment and a stipulation to GTFO of Trek forever. And claim to donors that the arguments were a valiant attempt to achieve fan ownership, not just to save the studio asset from scorched earth repossession.
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