I've seen another pic (on another twitter parody account) that attributes that quote to LFIM, not really surprising.
CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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I've seen another pic (on another twitter parody account) that attributes that quote to LFIM, not really surprising.
Oh, so hold on. Is that quote attributed to Gossett or have I fallen for a prank?
No, that's an actual Gossett quote as far as I can tell............this is what I was talking about
I'm pretty sure there are a number of people here who do want that to happen.
No, that's an actual Gossett quote as far as I can tell............this is what I was talking about
Gossett suggests that someone from Axanar said it. Is it Alec or someone else? We really don't know.
Dear Alec Peters,
You want the right to raise buckets of money to make your own sci-fi blockbuster of any length you want? You want to hire SAG actors and former Trek actors and writers and artists and creative folks? MAKE YOUR OWN GORRAM UNIVERSE, FOR FRAK'S SAKE! That'll give you all the freedom and creativity you want! You don't, however, get to make money off of someone else's property that you don't own. Where I'm from, we call that "theft."
No love,
Turbo
You want the right to raise buckets of money to make your own sci-fi blockbuster of any length you want? You want to hire SAG actors and former Trek actors and writers and artists and creative folks? MAKE YOUR OWN GORRAM UNIVERSE, FOR FRAK'S SAKE! That'll give you all the freedom and creativity you want! You don't, however, get to make money off of someone else's property that you don't own. Where I'm from, we call that "theft."
No love,
Turbo
However, if you go after one thing but not go after another, your legal right to challenge can in turn be challenged.
This is the principal behind companies like Apple being so litigious over things like "iWhatever"... if you don't protect it every time, the case can be made it's not yours to protect in another instance.
There's so much anger being sent towards Axanar and Alec Peters, yet the underlying principals remain the same... there are also legal and philosophical questions that can be directed towards CBS & Paramount.
Regarding Axanar itself, it hasn't gone to trial. At this point all there are are accusations, counter accusations and rampant internet speculation.
For my part, I think that if no one is actually making any money that it would be wisest to leave the fan films alone. Fandom has contributed just as much if not more to the strength of the Star Trek IP over the decades as the "official" stuff.
Draconian comes up a lot because it applies. It's the first word that came to mind when I read the guidelines before I heard anyone else use it.
As for the interview, nope... Alec stands very much on his own during it.
You might be confusing trademark with copyright. Trademark you have to go after everyone or you might lose it. Copyright you can actually pick and choose.
Then Axanar should be in your sights. People were taking salaries. People were being paid for work. The very definition of making money. That is information the Axanar released in their financials.
Also: they used Trek IP to raise money for a studio to later use to make FOR profit films. This was also stated by Peters.
You don't get to have it both ways. If you are against fan films making money, then you should be against Axanar.
That's trademark. CBS and Paramount are suing LFIM over copyright, a completely different animal. Copyright can be selectively enforced, at the owner's discretion.
No. There really isn't.
It's their stuff. They're not coming in and shitting in your kettle. Don't shit in theirs.
End of legal and philosophical debate about their legal ownership.
I've seen the light. The guidelines CBS & Paramount released pertain only to the sins Axanar is accused of (which haven't been held to be true in a court of law yet) and are not an overreaction against the fan community in general. Thanks for helping me understand.
That last reply was a bit sarcastic, sorry for the tone. But it does sum up a point that I feel is being missed in the discussion.
I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not, but Axanar certainly triggered it, but 250k Kickstarters created an environment where it was going to happen sooner or later.
Just ask yourself: how much money in fees did Kickstarter make from all of the stolen IP?
If that's the case, why isn't there a lawsuit against Star Trek Continues for their indiegogo campaign? I believe Star Trek Phase II has also had crowdfunding.
Or any fan film that takes donations via credit cards?
Not sure the fee processing applies as profit. Also, the profit would go to the processor not the fan film.
So I think the discussion should remain on the underlying principals, not the scale.
In the Trekzone interview, Mr. Gossett said Alec's minions had better leave him alone, otherwise he has far worse things in his emails with Alec that they don't want out and which would influence the case. At least that is what I thought I heard.
I wonder if this is one of them. If it is, Axanar is a smoking toaster, not just burnt toast.
I think, IMHO, the only point being missed is that CBS/Paramount own Star Trek in it's entirety, and that it's only through their good graces that anyone is allowed to make anything Star Trek related at all.
I, for one, believe their guidelines are incredibly tolerant.
I, for one, believe their guidelines are incredibly tolerant.
The answer is money. Star Trek continues to exist because it makes money. Other fan films were left alone because it was not worth the money to go after them. Why Axanar? Take your pick of offenses, but someone at CBS or Paramount decided there was more value in bringing this case than not.
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