CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

[Squiggy]

We've added about 30 pages in just a couple of days.

Yeah...we're going to hit 1000.

 

[CRM-114]

Oh, Abrams spoke out of turn. As so many people have pointed out in this thread what part of NEVER DISCUSS AN ONGOING LAWSUIT IN PUBLIC don't people understand?

If CBS/P outright drops the lawsuit, I am so boycotting STB.

As others have said, I think there's confusion between "settlement" and "dropping" the suit. Some may say since settling a lawsuit means it never went to court, it can be interpreted as dropping the suit. I'd say that's spurious reasoning, but that's just me.

Look at the story as it's reported on Trekmovie.com, especially the banner headline:
http://trekmovie.com/2016/05/20/jj-abrams-announces-paramountcbs-has-agreed-to-drop-axanar-lawsuit/

They say C/P confirmed they are "abandoning" the lawsuit (Trekmovie.com's word). The statement posted by C/P that Trekmovie.com says is an announcement of dropping the suit actually says, "We are pleased to confirm we are in settlement discussions [emphasis mine] and are also working on a set of fan film guidelines." The way that is stated, the guidelines may even be independent of the settlement. As in we have two new developments to report: 1) our lawyers are working on a settlement, and 2) we have people working on fan film guidelines.

Trekmovie is so pro-Axanar, it's actually nauseating.

 

[RCAM]

This is interesting:




(The complete quoted comments are available at the link, but each continues pretty much as it began.)

Would you mind posting the whole thing? I can't view the links because I don't have a Facebook account.

 

[Red Shirt]

for folks who have joined this thread in the last month or so, I highly recommend listening to the Axanar podcast from last August, link in the posting quoted above.

It takes about 15 minutes to get into the meat of things, but you will hear Alec and one of his fellow staffers talk about licensing the game pieces, saying CBS has abandoned Trek so its ok to take their IP, their intention to use their studio to create sf to even license back into CBS, dump on critics and another fan film (and fans in their little heads, I quote), a bunch of other things, and towards the end, even take a sexist dump on a TOS cast member.

It takes some intestinal fortitude to listen to this whole thing, and my apologies frankly for even bringing it to your attention. but if you can manage it, then please ask yourself just one question: are these really the type of people in whose current mental state of adolescent contempt you want writing Trek? That may sound harsh, but just listen to it all, right to the end.

No apology necessary. I listened to that podcast when you first linked it way back. IMO, it's worth the listen because you get to hear Alec Peters and Rob Burnett firsthand in their bizarre little bubble world incriminating themselves.

 

[urbandefault]

Would you mind posting the whole thing? I can't view the links because I don't have a Facebook account.

 

[Firebird]

Burnett is "extremely disappointed" with Tommy saying his peace? Who does he think he is, Tommy's father?

 

[Philip Guyott]

No. Check out the video. Abrams said point blank that the studio would be dropping the suit. Again, my feelings are that he spoke out of turn. Alec's surprise at the announcement seems to speak to the fact that this is not official. I'd think any official news about the suit would have had to be relayed to the defendant before the public.

Apparently they invited Alec Peters to the Star Trek Beyond event without telling him that they were going to make that announcement. They wanted it to be a surprise for him.

 

[RCAM]

Thank you, sir.

This would seem to fit with everything I knew/suspected. Christian saw what a bunch of lunatics he was working with and hit the eject button, and RBM is in lockstep with a delusional AP.

 

[steam235]

This is brilliant. CBS can dictate the terms of the settlement and still be hailed as hero's of the fan community. They are literally having their cake and eating it.

They can make fan film guidelines so restrictive they can still stop Axanar.

They can limit crowd funding. They can limit time. They can limit the era people make films of. And because of this announcement, the narrative is already written that jj and Lin are hero's who stepped in to save the fans.

 

[dmac]

Omg .... as a once (and only once VFX Coordinator) I would have NEVER berated an artist in this manner.

 

[Sgt_G]

Tommy saying his piece

Saying his piece or saying his peace??

 

[CaptGrumpy]

I think once you extricate yourself from analyzing the details, what JJ said about the big picture of unifying fans for the 50th makes sense. Is it absolutely necessary for CBS/P to extract a pound of flesh from AP if it also means alienating some of the fanbase? More casual fans are not privvy to the details of the case and are probably more prone to being sympathetic to Axanar as representative of fandom. I'm sure AP was counting on it, but it's true, that's how these things work. PR is more about the perception than the reality.

If there's a way to make it look like CBS/P showed mercy towards Axanar AND used the episode to establish guidelines the fans and the studio can both agree on, then it's win/win. The only party that will feel slighted will be those who have so much of a grudge against Alec that they needed to see him ruined and living in a van...down by the river.

Nope. Fandom isn't united. Read the comments hear. We're still pretty divided. You also seem to conflate being against the practices of Alec to holding a grudge. I have no grudge, but Alec's actions disgust me.

 

[CaptGrumpy]

Apparently they invited Alec Peters to the Star Trek Beyond event without telling him that they were going to make that announcement. They wanted it to be a surprise for him.

Without going thru lawyers? It sounds fishier. Sorry. Still doesn't pass the smell test. You don't spring the resolution to a suit on the participants without vetting it thru their attorney

 

[urbandefault]

Also, let's not forget that AP has in the past blamed Gossett for the need to build a studio facility, when Gossett "refused" to film on James Cawley's existing sets. While there might be a grain of truth in there somewhere, I recommend taking it with a pound of salt.

 

[Firebird]

Saying his piece or saying his peace??

Aw, don't tell me you're gonna play word games with my posts, too?

In this case, I meant the former, though I'm sure the figure of speech is the latter.

 

[Maurice]

The idioms are "speak your piece" and "hold your peace". The former means "let's hear it" the latter means "hold your tongue".

EDIT: Urk! Typos! Fixed!

 

[muCephi]

Also, let's not forget that AP has in the past blamed Gossett for the need to build a studio facility, when Gossett "refused" to film on James Cawley's existing sets. While there might be a grain of truth in there somewhere, I recommend taking it with a pound of salt.

spouse of fine car collector: "I'm sorry dear, but a Jag just isn't good enough."
collector: "alright, you forced me into it, Ferrari it is."

 

[muCephi]

Burnett is "extremely disappointed" with Tommy saying his piece? Who does he think he is, Tommy's father?

 

[Sgt_G]

Aw, don't tell me you're gonna play word games with my posts, too?

No, I wasn't sure which one it was. I always thought it was "peace" and thought maybe I had it wrong all these years, that your version "piece" was actually correct.

 

[Firebird]

No, I wasn't sure which one it was. I always thought it was "peace" and thought maybe I had it wrong all these years, that your version "piece" was actually correct.

I know, I was just joking around. Looks like I had an attack of the malapropisms.