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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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There are only a few defenders of Axanar on Trekmovie, and they are nitpicking the edges of criticism or trying the usual diverting the discussion into a flamewar on hypothetical faults in the copyright system or the like. Very few of the Trekmovie regulars are saying anything, and the ratio of people who are expressing real contempt is rising exponentially.

Its also interesting that boborci was clearly reading the prior Axanar thread about the second response.
 
I'd think the best way for Lord Axahat to control what's "off the record" would be to keep his big damn mouth shut. But since he can't seem to do that, it's all fair game.

This has been the best 3 months of constant entertainment I've ever experienced, and there's no end in sight. Let the good times roll! :guffaw:

I think Alec does not at root want his movie to succeed nearly as much as he wants everyone of note in Trek to know who he is. Any rational effort to salvage this movie would, as you note, begin with not drawing attention to the problems.
 
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Considering how much interest there appears to be in the Axanar case, I am a little surprised that this video has only received just over a 190 views and 14 likes so far.
No doubt Alec was wishing the interview conversation was taking place on a his FB site so he could've lowered the ban hammer on another "hater" like he's done to so many others posing questionings. I find it hilarious Alec had banned the interviewer previously from his sites and when that's brought up Alec starts having a tantrum.
What has astonished me most about this interview is that Alec agreed to do it in the first place.
 
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New on AxaMonitor today:
AMBITION VS. ACHIEVEMENT As demonstrated in this new analysis of Axanar's finances, at each significant stage in its fundraising history, its ambition appears to have outstripped its fundraising capabilities, and its spending has always outpaced what it has publicly reported about its income. Read more »

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Considering how much interest there appears to be in the Axanar case, I am a little surprised that this video has only received just over a 190 views and 14 likes so far.

There's some media interest, but I wouldn't be surprised if the actual interest by fans is quite limited.
 
New on AxaMonitor today:
AMBITION VS. ACHIEVEMENT As demonstrated in this new analysis of Axanar's finances, at each significant stage in its fundraising history, its ambition appears to have outstripped its fundraising capabilities, and its spending has always outpaced what it has publicly reported about its income. Read more »

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this diagram leaves me unclear in a couple ways

1. didnt axanar say they intended to run several fundraisers to pay for the full 4 parts? is the right side comparing the 'budget' for 4 parts with the fundraising for, example the first part? Its not clear to me. if the top of the green line is the budget just for what they have already stated the indiegogo is supposed to cover (the 'first part' of the movie (?)), then thats fine, but I think it should say so. if not, it should perhaps be adjusted so that the budget tracks the intention of the latter fundraising phases.

2. the intro says their spending has 'always significantly outpaced their fundraising', but the first half of the graph shows budget (a surrogate for spending perhaps?) tracking quite closely. also, the only spending indicator is the one line on the right. it doesnt really allow me to draw much of a conclusion... in fact it looks considerably less than the blue 'fundraising' line, and than the budget too.

I might have expected spending to be shown across the graph. that way, if spending exceeded fundraising, or the budget, I would see it.

one very interresting thing you could put in along with the spending, is another line showing running total cash allocated to the disputed studio infrastructure and salaries (to the extent you can break out crew from non-crew that might help).

3. the graph upon reflection seems to be showing the numbers separately for each phase of additional goals/spending/fundraising, but the trend line suggests its somehow accumulative. a side by side bar might emphasize that each phase is its own set of numbers.

I guess it really depends what you want to show. the running grand totals
since project start up to and including each phase, especially if you could show a bunch eaten out of the base for 'long term assets' and 'salaries', would show something interesting -- where has the money gone in net total and what was done with the funds raised each time.

you would need to show at each datapoint, budgeted as of completion date of phase, funds raised towards completion of phase, and spent as of completion of the phase. For phases not complete you would need to somehow show projected numbers and actuals to date. either running totals, or separate clusters of numbers contained within each phase.

just giving a reaction as a reader of graphs..
 
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This has been the best 3 months of constant entertainment I've ever experienced, and there's no end in sight. Let the good times roll! :guffaw:

This reminds me of something I meant to post a while back: This thread has provided me with exponentially more entertainment value than all the fan films I've ever watched put together (and I've watched a fair number.)

well done, my fellow fans!
 
this diagram leaves me unclear in a couple ways

1. didnt axanar say they intended to run several fundraisers to pay for the full 4 parts? is the right side comparing the 'budget' for 4 parts with the fundraising for, example fundraising for the first part? Its not clear to me. if the top of the green line is the budget just for what they have already stated the indiegogo is supposed to cover (the 'first part' of the movie (?)), then thats fine, but I think it should say so. if not, it should perhaps be adjusted so that the budget tracks the intention of the latter fundraising phases.

2. the intro says their spending has 'always significantly outpaced their fundraising', but the first half of the graph shows budget (a surrogate for spending perhaps?) tracking quite closely. also, the only spending indicator is the one line on the right. it doesnt really allow me to draw much of a conclusion... in fact it looks considerably less than the blue 'fundraising' line, and than the budget too.

I might have expected spending to be shown across the graph. that way, if spending exceeded fundraising, or the budget, I would see it.

one very interresting thing you could put in along with the spending, is another line showing running total cash allocated to the disputed studio infrastructure and salaries (to the extent you can break out crew from non-crew that might help).

3. the graph upon reflection seems to be showing the numbers separately for each phase of additional goals/spending/fundraising, but the trend line suggests its somehow accumulative. a side by side bar might emphasize that each phase is its own set of numbers.

I guess it really depends what you want to show. the running grand totals
since project start up to and including each phase, especially if you could show a bunch eaten out of the base for 'long term assets' and 'salaries', would show something interesting -- where has the money gone in net total and what was done with the funds raised each time.

you would need to show at each datapoint, the amount budgeted for completion of the phase (past phases), the amount spent upon arrival at the completion of the phase (past phases, and the amount raised/amount spent as of now towards phase(s) not complete.

just giving a reaction as a reader of graphs..
  1. Axanar was running one crowdfunding campaign for all four "episodes" of Axanar; each episode constituted a seprate stretch goal under the same campaign. It was an ongoing effort under Indiegogo's "in demand" banner, which allows select projects to engage in fundraising for an indefinite period. The green line is the total amount needed to complete all four episodes.
  2. Spending outpacing fundraising speaks to the amount raised in each Kickstarter campaign versus the final amounts spent out of each campaign's proceeds. Since all the spending happens after each campaign's conclusion, spending doesn't track along the same time frame as each data point (expressed as stretch goals) during the course of each campaign.
  3. The goal of this particular analysis was to show the evolution of cost projections for Axanar, tracked alongside fundraising efforts. In each phase of the fundraising, the goals have always exceeded the amount eventually raised, and so have the expenses for each phase as well. And where it's ended up shows that a phenomenal amount of money (more than $745K) is still needed to be raised to complete this film.

    As far as spending on salaries and infrastructure, we offer a separate article analyzing spending issues based on Axanar's Annual Report.
Given your feedback I'll probably prepare a graphic separating our analyses into:
  • Crowdfunding Details (analysis of the Kickstarter and Indiegogo data)
  • Spending (based on Annual Report)
  • Achievement (as expressed by Prelude) vs. Ambition (as expressed by Axanar).
Thanks!
 
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Hasn't Alec offered to refund the donation of any donor who asks? Has anyone asked? It seems this would be a simpler course than a lawsuit.

by lawsuit, do you mean someone filing class action? don't know if a blanket refund policy can preempt a class action. maybe.
 
  1. Axanar was running one crowdfunding campaign for all four "episodes" of Axanar; each episode constituted a seprate stretch goal under the same campaign. It was an ongoing effort under Indiegogo's "in demand" banner, which allows select projects to engage in fundraising for an indefinite period. The green line is the total amount needed to complete all four episodes.
  2. Spending outpacing fundraising speaks to the amount raised in each Kickstarter campaign versus the final amounts spent out of each campaign's proceeds. Since all the spending happens after each campaign's conclusion, spending doesn't track along the same time frame as each data point (expressed as stretch goals) during the course of each campaign.
  3. The goal of this particular analysis was to show the evolution of cost projections for Axanar, tracked alongside fundraising efforts. In each phase of the fundraising, the goals have always exceeded the amount eventually raised, and so have the expenses for each phase as well. And where it's ended up shows that a phenomenal amount of money (more than $745K) is still needed to be raised to complete this film.

    As far as spending on salaries and infrastructure, we offer a separate article analyzing spending issues based on the Axanar's Annual Report.
Given your feedback I'll probably prepare a graphic separating our analyses into:
  • Crowdfunding Details (analysis of the Kickstarter and Indiegogo data)
  • Spending (based on Annual Report)
  • Achievement (as expressed by Prelude) vs. Ambition (as expressed by Axanar).
Thanks!

you're welcome. just keep in mind your audience probably is most interested in 'what was my money spent on' and 'why do they need so much'...
 
Might I refer you to post #13653?

just a page or two back there was a comment about a donation over 100$ that was not refunded when asked.

but my point was 'in what way is a refund policy simpler than a lawsuit?', and positing a way the lawsuit might make sense wrt/ donations. after all, if the question was 'could donation refunds be simpler than the cbs lawsuit', the answer would be that they are separate things.
 
I continue to be impressed by your work, Carlos. Kudos!

Blog post from today's show is up. We discussed Nosferatu, Vulcans, memorable yet minor (in terms of on-screen time) characters, etc. If there was an over/under for when I start ranting, it's at about 1 hour or so as I recall.
http://www.gandtshow.com/g-t-logical-nosferatu-geshundheit/

YouTube to follow.

I am getting shmacked with schoolwork again (and it's only Sunday), plus if there is a response by plaintiffs, it will come this week. Hence, back to lurk mode.

/gathers pie supplies/
 
I continue to be impressed by your work, Carlos. Kudos!

Blog post from today's show is up. We discussed Nosferatu, Vulcans, memorable yet minor (in terms of on-screen time) characters, etc. If there was an over/under for when I start ranting, it's at about 1 hour or so as I recall.
http://www.gandtshow.com/g-t-logical-nosferatu-geshundheit/

YouTube to follow.

I am getting shmacked with schoolwork again (and it's only Sunday), plus if there is a response by plaintiffs, it will come this week. Hence, back to lurk mode.

/gathers pie supplies/

In the absence of Jespah, I shall take over legal "duties" by replying with the same answer

SUE THE BASTARD
 
For the record I don't hate you however I refuse to abandon critical thinking and deductive reasoning because you think it's your due to be everyone's personal Star Trek Savior Guru force feeding your propaganda down peoples throats.

If it weren't Star Trek, it would be something else. He's expressed enthusiasm for Major Matt Mason...
 
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