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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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muCephi said:
She leads by saying CBS is targeting fans? Did she read the lawsuit, or believe no one else did? And making a value judgment about who are the biggest fans? Has she ever read a trek site thread about *that* :guffaw:?
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I'm sure Peters will love the fact that I compared the "fanbase" of people who gave money to Axanar to the "fanbase" of people who gave money to "Into Darkness" in 2013.

His base was 0.03 percent of the base for "Into Darkness." And I was only counting North America.

And yes, that's three-hundredths of 1 percent.
 
Alec switching girlfriends is kind of a big deal. A lot of the donors liked her (and her cat), so depending how it all went down they might be upset. Plus, she's not a rando GF, she's an Axanar producer and the fulfillment lady, on the front line of customer service. I would think some donors would care a great deal.

Plus, we don't know if she's going to be named a doe, or if she's ever been paid for working "60 hours a week plus weekends" for over a year.
 
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Admiral Cain said:
Alec switching girlfriends is kind of a big deal. A lot of the donors liked her (and her cat), so depending how it all went down they might be upset. Plus, she's not a rando GF, she's an Axanar producer and the fulfillment lady, on the front line of customer service. I would think some donors would care a great deal.
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Not disagreeing, but separating dimensions: a co-producer and fulfillment officer left, sure. Their personal relationship changed, personal.
 
Jedi_Master said:
Well, I imagine they wouldn't have taken this case pro bono if they didn't feel they could win, AND felt that they could burnish the firm's image in the process.
I still think they are delusional, but what do I know?
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they took the case because they thought it would give their firm wider exposure and thus bring in higher profile clients (with money). Also, if they are as good a set of lawyers as they claim they know if they go through a full trial; Alec Peters and Axanar Productions would LOSE and lose big.

What they most likely believed (and may still) is that they could get Paramount/CBS to come to a settlement with Axanar Productions and Alec Peters that didn't cause Peters to lose everything financially and in a case like this - being able to do that would look good for them. That said, I think they miscalculated; and are starting to discover Paramount/CBS has zero interest in a settlement that isn't "Mr. Peters abandons Star Trek: Axanar as a Star Trek related project; returns all the money and other personal financial gain, and closes his Studio that was created by soliciting donations using the Star Trek brand..."; so now they're stumping around in the media hoping to get casual Star trek fans to put more pressure on CBS/Paramount to come to a settlement that's more favorable to Mr. Peters and Axanar Productions. Problem is: Wit ALL that's out there and people like us painting the WHOLE picture - even someone who casually researches the background will actually see WHY CBS/Paramount decided to pursue legal action, and many will decide not to bother writing/messaging CBS/Paramount at that point. (IMO)

TLDR: The Axanar legal team is hoping to turn up the 'fan pressure' against Paramount/CBS; but overall, I don't think they're going to get the fan response needed to get CBS/Paramount to consider giving Axanar productions a settlement that more favorable to them or allows the Axanar feature to be completed in some way.
 
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Either way, it would be deliciously ironic if she agreed to give Loeb & Loeb whatever information they wanted in exchange for immunity from any prosecution. She may well be the hero of the case and be the lynchpin for CBS to finally crush the little shit once and for all.
 
Michael Hinman said:
No one was asked to pitch. There was no "call" that "went out." Kurtzman, through K/O Paper Products (his production shingle) already have a long-standing relationship with CBS (who do you think is behind some of their hit shows, like "Hawaii Five-0" and "Limitless"?), and also is connected with the JJverse, meaning that an idea he comes to the table would likely get the Paramount/Abrams blessing.
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If the new series is being made by CBS, and has been announced as not be connected to Star Trek Beyond, why would they need "the Paramount/Abrams blessing"?
 
jaime said:
Mock also means 'not the real thing but resembles it' or 'fake'.
Mock leather.
Mock turtle.
It's fallen out of favour in contemporary speech. But that's it's meaning.
Now thinking about Axanar....
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Hence the term "mockumentary."
 
Jedman67 said:
I wouldn;t say "non original" as it's a new take on the classic lunchbox. Now we just need the Axanar version.
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its a japanese bento box with individual container boxes, these exist. its a menu planning app that calculates proportions within certain limits, these exist. certain design elements such as the way they wrapped the chiller around the outside of the box may be unique in design but design only; optional chiller components for lunch boxes exist. the accordion wrap around edge exists in all sorts of things. This is why to me it does not really qualify as 'original' in a way so as to merit so much enthusiasm. And yet, what really is just a sticking together of a few preexisting ideas with hype like "dont waste your food" still raises more money quicker than Axanar.

Jay said:
What bodies? That's the hysterical thing--as a con-man Peters is basically Harry Mudd. He's so inept at it, it's easy to see what he has done.
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ok, so where the tribbles that ate the money are hidden.
 
muCephi said:
its a japanese bento box with individual container boxes, these exist. its a menu planning app that calculates proportions within certain limits, these exist. certain design elements such as the way they wrapped the chiller around the outside of the box may be unique in design but design only; optional chiller components for lunch boxes exist. the accordion wrap around edge exists in all sorts of things. This is why to me it does not really qualify as 'original' in a way so as to merit so much enthusiasm. And yet, what really is just a sticking together of a few preexisting ideas with hype like "dont waste your food" still raises more money quicker than Axanar.
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It's transformative!!

Neil
 
trynda1701 said:
A question comes to mind based on what was mentioned in that FOX report.

When their motion was filed on Monday, was anyone from their defense team actually in a courtroom filing their motion, or is that done electronically, with a preliminary hearing date to be set?
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If anywhere they were at the Clerk's Office. It looks like Judge Klausner likes paper copies of everything.
 
therealsb63 said:
Hence the term "mockumentary."
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I had dropped this myself, having read the comments here; but then I looked in Wikipedia and at the Google results for the term.

If a reader of a press release looks up the term, the explanation they get is absolutely not just "a fiction in documentary form", the way a "mock trial" is a trial in its real form just not in a legal court, or "mock duck" is just imitation duck. The explanation presented is overwhelmingly that the term refers to parody, and *many* examples are given of the industry's own use of the term in this context. "This is Spinal Tap" stands out to me as an example.

Given this situation, I guess I have to see the introduction of the term as an attempt to mislead the press and public by framing the discussion vocabulary. Prelude was plainly a work of fiction based on its own inner story using Trek IP and a set up for that story to be told. It aimed to carve out a slot within which to graft on the mocu-studio's works to the Trek timeline. It was not in any way a commentary upon Trek, or a parody.
 
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