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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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Noname Given said:
Don't worry, if this goes to trial I'm sure CBS will show it as evidence; and CNN, et. al. will probably include it in any coverage they do of the trial. If however there is some sort of pre-trial settlement (although I doubt that the route Paramount/CBS want o take as it's pretty obvious they are suing to send a clear message as to what happens when a group goes too far) it will probably never appear on the internet again.

Time will tell.
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It seems to me, by removing such a video. AP's legal defense is trying to avoid as many copyright infringement elements as possible. Because each one equals 150k to pay. So removing that one video alone saves 150k. It also tells me his legal team knows he violated copyright and that their attempt is not to go head-on with Paramount and CBS in a court of law but to try to settle. Either that or tell the courts, what Star Trek? I don't see no Star Trek anywhere. That alien design is an Alf not a Klingon. Seriously though, if they claim it's too late to sue for Prelude of Axanar, and that defense works, that saves them alot of infringments. But Axanar itself is hard to sweep under the rug at this point. I bet Paramount and CBS saved the Vulcan scene too lol.
 
Cue8472 said:
It seems to me, by removing such a video. AP's legal defense is trying to avoid as many copyright infringement elements as possible. Because each one equals 150k to pay. So removing that one video alone saves 150k. It also tells me his legal team knows he violated copyright and that their attempt is not to go head-on with Paramount and CBS in a court of law but to try to settle. Either that or tell the courts, what Star Trek? I don't see no Star Trek anywhere. That alien design is an Alf not a Klingon. Seriously though, if they claim it's too late to sue for Prelude of Axanar, and that defense works, that saves them alot of infringments. But Axanar itself is hard to sweep under the rug at this point. I bet Paramount and CBS saved the Vulcan scene too lol.
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Removing it doesn't magically make the copyright infringement go away. It doesn't save them any money.
 
Isn't this what some lawyers do? Try to find a way to bend the letter of the law into the outcome they want?
 
Noname Given said:
Don't worry, if this goes to trial I'm sure CBS will show it as evidence; and CNN, et. al. will probably include it in any coverage they do of the trial. If however there is some sort of pre-trial settlement (although I doubt that the route Paramount/CBS want o take as it's pretty obvious they are suing to send a clear message as to what happens when a group goes too far) it will probably never appear on the internet again.

Time will tell.
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That is what he wants them to do, I mean Alec of Izar™ (TM pending as it will be filed next week, with a note saying we thought we took care of this years ago) IS a tactical genius because if, er um WHEN CNN and EVERY NEWS WORTH NETWORK (no 2 credit nerf herding bloggers) shows Prelude in its glorious entirety to the world, the people, yes the PEOPLE will rally to the one true GOD of Trek and all you mere haters will tremble in awe as the wave Axanar overcomes with the true spirit of Star Trek, and there will be a new balance in JJVerse the dawn of the Alecverse. :rolleyes:
I dunno know about you blind fools but THAT is the world I want for my children.:rommie::crazy::nyah:

to the mods is there any other way besides the emoticons to denote this sarcasm.
 
Jay said:
Isn't this what some lawyers do? Try to find a way to bend the letter of the law into the outcome they want?
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Yes, but they don't repeatedly admit to doing all the things they're accused of in a pathetic attempt to control the narrative.

Well, bad ones do apparently.

Protip: When you're sued for doing something, STOP TALKING ABOUT THE SOMETHING. Don't give interviews and admit you're doing the something. Don't publish testimonials where others admit you're doing the something. Don't dupe your subordinates into admitting you're doing the something.
 
Squiggy said:
"Your honor, this is prosecution exhibit Y."

Me thinks Alec slept through the class about self-incrimation when he was a LAWYER IN TRAINING.

EVERYONE HE IS A LAWYER DID YOU KNOW THAT HE WAS A LAWYER ITS OK GUYS YOU CAN TRUST HIM HES A LAWYER.
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He's a lawyer like I'm a scientist.

The world's full of people with degrees they couldn't get hired to use. :cool:
 
Cue8472 said:
It seems to me, by removing such a video. AP's legal defense is trying to avoid as many copyright infringement elements as possible. Because each one equals 150k to pay. So removing that one video alone saves 150k. It also tells me his legal team knows he violated copyright and that their attempt is not to go head-on with Paramount and CBS in a court of law but to try to settle. Either that or tell the courts, what Star Trek? I don't see no Star Trek anywhere. That alien design is an Alf not a Klingon. Seriously though, if they claim it's too late to sue for Prelude of Axanar, and that defense works, that saves them alot of infringments. But Axanar itself is hard to sweep under the rug at this point. I bet Paramount and CBS saved the Vulcan scene too lol.
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A small point of clarification:
"At Plaintiffs’ election, statutory damages of up to $150,000 for each separate Star Trek Copyrighted Work infringed...." It's not $150K per "infringing element;" it's $150K per work infringed.

The list of Copyrighted Star Trek Works included in the Complaint includes twelve motion pictures and five television series. Point being: it's $150,000 for each movie or series that had some element lifted from it by an Axanar Work.


























At Plaintiffs’ election, statutory damages of up to $150,000 for each separate Star Trek Copyrighted Work infringed
 
From the first "Fan Story":

Alec and his team can have my money for any project they undertake because I trust them to make the best use of it.
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Soooo... laying carpet and spending a year and a half with only 3 minutes of footage to be seen is the best use of his money? I guess if that's what you want...
 
GSchnitzer said:
A small point of clarification:
"At Plaintiffs’ election, statutory damages of up to $150,000 for each separate Star Trek Copyrighted Work infringed...." It's not $150K per "infringing element;" it's $150K per work infringed.

The list of Copyrighted Star Trek Works included in the Complaint includes twelve motion pictures and five television series. Point being: it's $150,000 for each movie or series that had some element lifted from it by an Axanar Work.

At Plaintiffs’ election, statutory damages of up to $150,000 for each separate Star Trek Copyrighted Work infringed
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Infringement could conceivably be per instance (depends on how the trier of law sees it). Infringement instances (some of which are named in the complaint are, off the top of my head:
  1. Soval, particularly being reprised by the same actor
  2. Klingons
  3. Vulcans
  4. the planet Vulcan
  5. the name Axanar
  6. Enterprise
  7. the background of the Vulcan scene
  8. the models being sold in the donor store
All you need are 8, because 8 x $150k = $1.2M. That is the total of the KS and IGG $$ combined. And there are more than 8 instances. But if you want to count by infringing works, then you still exceed the magic number 8.

It kind of doesn't matter how it's counted.
 
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