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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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That generated this warm reply from an attorney claiming he worked for Axanar:
I am also one of the attorneys representing Axanar and can confirm you don't know what you're talking about.
That's a very interesting thread indeed, especially RMB's comments.

FWIW, I think the person claiming to be an attorney was joking, as he goes on to say "Actually, I slept in a Holiday Inn a few times and I've watched every Perry Mason episode. I hope the person responding to you was just as legit as me (though I have no dog in this fight). You raise a valid point but I personally would love for the production to come to fruition as I believe it only helps the material overall."
 
That's a very interesting thread indeed, especially RMB's comments.

FWIW, I think the person claiming to be an attorney was joking, as he goes on to say "Actually, I slept in a Holiday Inn a few times and I've watched every Perry Mason episode. I hope the person responding to you was just as legit as me (though I have no dog in this fight). You raise a valid point but I personally would love for the production to come to fruition as I believe it only helps the material overall."

From the language it sounds like Dave "I have no dog in this fight" Gerrold!
 
His "I'm an attorney and you don't know what you are talking about" shuts up a lot of people. It's getting old, but it generally works.
 
FYI, if you use Dropbox, it's an excellent way to host one-off documents like this. Just put it into your Public folder, right click and get the shareable link.
I do - I should try that once I get computers switched. Thanks for the idea! :)
 
Well, they apparently did find a licensee more than a year ago, and that sparked exactly the same kind of questions in the modeling world. Even then, Axanar people tried to smack down legitimate questions. For example:

Over on Starshipmodeler, I questioned how the producers of Axanar can licence kits to Starcrafts for production, when Axanar has no licence from CBS/Paramount. … Someone claiming to be one of the Axanar lawyers told me I didn't know what I was talking about and that it was all legit. That slap down certainly turned me off this whole production. I think the Axanar producers are wandering into a very grey legal area, and hence their offer to give you a model if you support their non-profit production, rather than just sell it to you. But really, you can call it whatever you want if it gives you heartburn. Pay $X, and they will send you a model.

That generated this warm reply from an attorney claiming he worked for Axanar:

I am also one of the attorneys representing Axanar and can confirm you don't know what you're talking about.

What a difference one year and a lawsuit make, huh, Mr. Attorney?

And then none other than Axanar director Rob Burnett shows up to make this startling declaration I'm sure CBS' lawyers will be gratified to learn:

As industry professionals, it's our desire to bring back what drove our fandom when we were young and first discovered Trek … In addition to the film itself, we also set out to make all the supporting merchandise we as fans want to see, including model kits, apparel, literary tie-ins, etc. [emphasis added; you can read the whole thing here.]

Since they're "industry professionals," you would think they would also want to avoid a multimillion dollar copyright infringement suit. But I guess not .

Great find.

*cough* "...Independent Star Trek film..." *cough* :whistle:
 
Axanar was pimping these on their site during the run of the Kickstarter for these books (one of three Trek novel Kickstarter campaigns the author has run, apparently), but oddly the crowdfunding campaign is never mentioned. … Damned egregious.

I just looked up Stephen Fender's various Kickstarter campaigns. Here's how much he's racked up for what, as far as I can tell, is unlicensed work. It's no wonder he's hooked up with Axanar. Also, interestingly, while he has his own publishing company, his website doesn't mention these unlicensed Trek works.

• The Romulan War and Four Years War Tech Manual – $18,968
• Star Trek: The Four Years War (four novel-length books) – $11,907
• Star Trek: The Next Generation – Pirates' Cove (novel) – $4,345

That's a total of $35,220 sold via Kickstarter.
 
• The Romulan War and Four Years War Tech Manual – $18,968
• Star Trek: The Four Years War (four novel-length books) – $11,907
• Star Trek: The Next Generation – Pirates' Cove (novel) – $4,345

That's a total of $35,220 sold via Kickstarter.

Ka-Ching!

I noticed that his Kickstarter perks included patches, too. I wonder if Axanar hooked him up there?
 
Not sure what to make of this.

Axanar was pimping these on their site during the run of the Kickstarter for these books (one of three Trek novel Kickstarter campaigns the author has run, apparently), but oddly the crowdfunding campaign is never mentioned.

Not sure if there's any direct relation between the author and Axanar, outside of the author being a donor for both the Axanar and Prelude to Axanar campaigns.

Damned egregious.

(Saw this here originally: http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/pirates-cove-by-steven-fender.278956/)

That's not exactly throwing your work up on fanfiction.net, is it? I'm trying to decide where it ranks on the Lori Jareo scale of fan fiction author bad decisions.
 
I just looked up Stephen Fender's various Kickstarter campaigns. Here's how much he's racked up for what, as far as I can tell, is unlicensed work. It's no wonder he's hooked up with Axanar. Also, interestingly, while he has his own publishing company, his website doesn't mention these unlicensed Trek works.

• The Romulan War and Four Years War Tech Manual – $18,968
• Star Trek: The Four Years War (four novel-length books) – $11,907
• Star Trek: The Next Generation – Pirates' Cove (novel) – $4,345

That's a total of $35,220 sold via Kickstarter.

Damn. If I had known you could make that kind of money with fan fic I'd finished my epic story already. :lol:
 
That's not exactly throwing your work up on fanfiction.net, is it? I'm trying to decide where it ranks on the Lori Jareo scale of fan fiction author bad decisions.
There is actually tons of unlicensed fan fic up for sale on Amazon now. I've stumbled across a whole bunch of them looking at the official stuff.
 
There is actually tons of unlicensed fan fic up for sale on Amazon now. I've stumbled across a whole bunch of them looking at the official stuff.

My general opinion is that such things should be reported when found. Being able to play in the Star Trek sandbox is a privilege, and it's one that fans absolutely will lose if they don't respect the associated boundaries. If there are some fans who don't respect, or understand, those boundaries then the responsibility falls on the rest of the community to condemn the behavior and instruct the transgressors in the error of their ways.

The community also needs to be a lot more discerning when it comes to throwing money at fan works. In the case of the fan fiction Kickstarter, the number one question people should have been asking is, "Why does fan fiction need a pro editor?" (Answer: It doesn't.)
 
Not only does it NOT need a pro editor, what does the creator do if the editor only requires, say, a $500 fee, but he raises $5,000? Does he pay the editor $5000? Does he pocket the rest? Does he hire an artist to do illustrations? Does he create a print version?

This is why crowdfunding for unlicensed products of any kind is troublesome. If you only need X amount, you can quickly find yourself making profit even if you never intended to.
 
Not only does it NOT need a pro editor, what does the creator do if the editor only requires, say, a $500 fee, but he raises $5,000? Does he pay the editor $5000? Does he pocket the rest? Does he hire an artist to do illustrations? Does he create a print version?

This is why crowdfunding for unlicensed products of any kind is troublesome. If you only need X amount, you can quickly find yourself making profit even if you never intended to.

And Kickstarter collects a fee for every dollar raised. Until CBS does something, Kickstarter is making ray money.
 
Wow, I've never been on a 400-page thread before. At the beginning I was reading every page but was falling way behind so went to every fifth page, then once it was over 250 it slowed down enough I read it all. In the same time, I could have read a classic masterpiece of literature, but I arguably wouldn't have learned as much and been so entertained. I assume every single one of us knows something about copyright and/or trademarks we didn't know before. And the story has an actual villain. Onward, brainiacs of Trek bbs!
Every so often just post something like "That's incredible," or "I can't believe the hubris of the man." Everyone will assume you've read the entire thread, but you won't have read the whole thread, and they'll be none the wiser!
 
Someone claiming to be one of the Axanar lawyers told me I didn't know what I was talking about and that it was all legit.
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I am also one of the attorneys representing Axanar and can confirm you don't know what you're talking about
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"you don't know what you're talking about" is the 100% substitute for "I am right because of the following substantive information". except in one case, "I am right because the people who agree with me say I am right".
 
Wow, I've never been on a 400-page thread before. At the beginning I was reading every page but was falling way behind so went to every fifth page, then once it was over 250 it slowed down enough I read it all. In the same time, I could have read a classic masterpiece of literature, but I arguably wouldn't have learned as much and been so entertained. I assume every single one of us knows something about copyright and/or trademarks we didn't know before. And the story has an actual villain. Onward, brainiacs of Trek bbs!

How nuts am I? I've read every post on this thread - over 8,000! - but i got lots of time on my hands...
 
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