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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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Earthrise said:
I'm very easy to satisfy. I just want "Game of Thrones" or "Breaking Bad" In Space. :) I'd settle for first-season "House of Cards," though.

I just don't think CBS will have the courage to take Trek in that direction.
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Ironically, that's absolutely what I don't want. I want classic Trek, TNG Trek-- but updated with modern effects, more depthful storytelling. I certainly don't want dark, serious, intense drama. "Feel-good" is the wrong word certainly, but I do want a show that I can come away with a big grin on my face at the end.

The idea of a dark and serious, gritty Trek intrigued me for a while when it was being talked about back in the mid 00's, but i've seen enough of that kind of stuff in recent years elsewhere.
 
Dennis said:
So, are Flynn and Trafton convenient sockpuppets or can Garth really depend upon an army of idiots with credit cards?

"Yes, please, sir! My children don't need milk or an education, the opportunity to sacrifice a normal healthy life on the altar of your scam is reward enough!"
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You're giving these guys far too much credit to the idea they have kids. Or spouses.
 
Maybe if this was a spinoff show (as DS9 was) I could get behind a dark, serialized Trek show. But if this is our one shot at a Trek series, I'm looking for an updated version of traditional Trek: exploration, discovery, adventure-- mixed with social commentary and some mind-bending sci-fi.

I'm glad when they brought back X-Files, for example, that they went with the traditional "monster-of-the-week" format, just like the old show.
 
I hope that the crowdfunding sites are smart enough to cover their own ass and block any new Axanar campaigns, even for a legal fund.
 
Professor Zoom said:
Admit it. It was great seeing him die.



TV production is hard enough. Why would you want to make it harder? Why would you hire someone with no TV writing experience, that you would have to rewrite anyway? Use them as resources for story ideas, maybe, but, you can't just let them go an write something and not touch it. That would be irresponsible with the rather large budget you are in charge of.
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I guess I'm not trying to create a practical proposal here, just advance the huge benefit that might come from letting profound ideas survive through the rewrite/budgeting/front office/etc filters. So much of what is called science fiction TV is just sciencey fiction since they try to follow safe formulas inside of an hour.
 
Albinator said:
Maybe if this was a spinoff show (as DS9 was) I could get behind a dark, serialized Trek show. But if this is our one shot at a Trek series, I'm looking for an updated version of traditional Trek: exploration, discovery, adventure-- mixed with social commentary and some mind-bending sci-fi.

I'm glad when they brought back X-Files, for example, that they went with the traditional "monster-of-the-week" format, just like the old show.
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Just because the story continues week to week, doesn't mean, that it has to be dark.... it could be all about exploration. discovery... adventure... It just means, the stories are tied together, so that you can tell bigger, and bolder stories.

And yes, there would be self contained plot lines in each episode, but I would rather, the stories work in concert to tell something bigger than themselves.
 
Q: Have you formerly responded to the lawsuit?

A: Paramount/CBS lawyers granted us a 30 day extension. So we are working towards that due date of Feb. 22nd with our new attorneys at Winston & Strawn.
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SuperSpaceMan said:
Just because the story continues week to week, doesn't mean, that it has to be dark.... it could be all about exploration. discovery... adventure... It just means, the stories are tied together, so that you can tell bigger, and bolder stories.

And yes, there would be self contained plot lines in each episode, but I would rather, the stories work in concert to tell something bigger than themselves.
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Agreed. But when I see shows go serialized, I see them trend darker. Darker stories tend to be birthed out of that format because it cultivates the natural elements of suspense, thrill, and dips in character archs that you want in order for people to yearn for the next episode. Leaving your story or characters in a dark place at the end of one episode is an easy way to grab them for the next week.

Sure, a more fun show could be done serialized (and they have) but all i'm saying is that the natural tendency for that form often leads to darker stories, and I don't want to see that, personally.

I think Doctor Who under Moffat is a good template: an overarching season-long "B" story (the cracks int he universe, eg.) while each individual episode has a unique, self-contained premise, culminating in a big 2-part finale that resolves the arch.
 
Dennis said:
I want something new and at least a little bit innovative. As far as the elements that "have to be" incorporated from the past I'd much rather they use TOS and the nuTrek movies for inspiration than any of the sequel Trek TV shows.
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I think anything that "sort of" exists should be out.

Keep Warp Drive and Transporters but throw the rest out. They really should try and think outside the box, so much so that a lot of people won't like it that much to start with.

What form that would take I'm not sure but they need to steer clear of flip top Communicators, pads, recognisable computers and TV screens. I would really stretch the format to its limits.

Whether they actually will do that remains to be seen.
 
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Jon1701 said:
I think anything that "sort of" exists should be out.
[...] I would really stretch the format to its limits.
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I am not looking for them to reinvent Star Trek. I'm happy with the way TNG re-invigorated TOS, introduced some new ideas (communicators on insignia, replicators, holodecks) but think they should keep it fairly familiar as well. Departing too much wouldn't make it Star Trek.

Remember, the reason they're doing this is to attract the audience that KNOWS Star Trek. Audiences by and large desire the familiar. Because new and different frightens them.
 
Albinator said:
I am not looking for them to reinvent Star Trek. I'm happy with the way TNG re-invigorated TOS, introduced some new ideas (communicators on insignia, replicators, holodecks) but think they should keep it fairly familiar as well. Departing too much wouldn't make it Star Trek.

Remember, the reason they're doing this is to attract the audience that KNOWS Star Trek. Audiences by and large desire the familiar. Because new and different frightens them.
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And if that's the case, it'll lose me. Sorry. I don't want same old, same old. We got that for 18 years with little variation. Give me something fresh and new.
 
muCephi said:
I guess I'm not trying to create a practical proposal here, just advance the huge benefit that might come from letting profound ideas survive through the rewrite/budgeting/front office/etc filters. So much of what is called science fiction TV is just sciencey fiction since they try to follow safe formulas inside of an hour.
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But, you are operating from the premise that it is the writers themselves who are at fault for the formulaic feel. All productions get network notes. Most of them are going to follow those notes. Very very very few shows can do whatever they want. CBS is not one of those networks that will allow one of their major brands to just do whatever some Nebula winner writes. It's a risk that I doubt they would take.
 
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