CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

[TribbleTrouble1]

For what it's worth, a number of people did try to discourage the post and point out that it had big bright stalkerish line-crossing red flags all over it, and those concerns were rejected by one of the moderators. I suspect that most of the people who saw it were not at all surprised to see that the entire group was dead a few hours later. I know I wasn't, although I am saddened to see it go. When it was good, it was very, very good. But when it wasn't...yikes.

 

[Michael Hinman]

Oh, your personal attack wounds me so. lol.

 

[Michael Hinman]

Because the title of the thread is "CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar"?

I'm sorry, where did I bring myself up? Oh, I didn't. That's right. I am simply responding to what I said being brought up.

But once again, it's my fault. I didn't bring this topic up here, but because I responded to it (primarily to correct some inaccurate statements, and to discuss it with those who are willing), it's my fault. Just like it was my fault that Alec Peters put an address that he is freaked out over on a public document.

I get it.

 

[Mudd]

Let me just say that I enjoyed most of the irresponsible and over-the-line stuff. I'm a sociopath. I even created some of it.

If I'd been up for the fracas about this last night (instead of watching Jeremy Clarkson try to match his Playstation time on the real Laguna Seca track) my one and probably only action as moderator would have been to hide or delete the Florida records shit. It was obviously asking for trouble.

 

[SuperSpaceMan]

I don't know the man. I have no emotional connection to him, positive or negative.

I'm interested in the case. I'm interested in the law and the facts. I hope donors can get recourse if they want it (or if they choose not to seek it, then they are adults and can spend their funds as they wish, of course, as can any of us).

Passions have run high. I get it; I do! But let's not attribute motives and feelings if we could, okay? The only people who know such things are the people with those motives and/or emotions.

*Spoiler alert - the Munsters live there.

For space reasons, I edited out the middle of your post. I get this, I really do. I am interested in the case, I am a donor, I am disappointed this whole project went sideways. But I am also a father, So, I think of, how would I feel if someone felt like doing the leg work, and posting a link to my property records to a group, where a lot of people have said, some very un-nice things about me? Would I feel threatened, I probably would. Would I push back, with everything I could, you're damned right I would.

This is actually a very good post. And I can't disagree with it. And trust me, I've been on the receiving end of bullshit many times, including death threats, that have made me uncomfortable.

But here's the thing. I didn't publish the address. .

I understand all the technicalities... you didn't post the address, but you posted links to the address. You did the leg work others may not have. I will tell you the same thing I told Jespah, I am a father, and if someone posted my personal address to a group of people talking about me, and judging my actions I would be more than concerned. And I would push back, because while, you may not take any action, doesn't mean there aren't other unhinged individuals that might.

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

Let me just say that I enjoyed most of the irresponsible and over-the-line stuff. I'm a sociopath. I even created some of it.

If I'd been up for the fracas about this last night (instead of watching Jeremy Clarkson try to match his Playstation time on the real Laguna Seca track) my one and probably only action as moderator would have been to hide or delete the Florida records shit. It was obviously asking for trouble.

Florida records shit...?

Wow, they keep records of your toilet habits?

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

Superman does.

Hey, SPOILERS!

Well, to be honest, having been an investigative reporter myself, all those "superhero" comic journalists are crap at their jobs. They don't take notes while interviewing people, they don't dig through public records, and they seem to have way too much time on their hands. They never seem to be on any real deadline.

As for the other discussion, I'm not going to comment. However, once an investigative journalist, always an investigative journalist. It's a skill you don't easily shed, like Clark Kent's garb and glasses.

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

Also, April O'Neil was a reporter for Channel 6 news

 

[Ion]

Welcome Admiral Cain, this sandbox is open to everyone, just watch out for the strange looking kid in the corner.

Hey! I don't call you out!

It raised questions. We are so sensitive about children that it comes up as a deflection more often than it should. You allowed Alec Peters to deflect you from a discussion about what is this company, and why does it exist, to "Oh, you exposed my family!" Which actually didn't happen.

To be fair, if Alec Peters told me the sky was blue, I'd go check for myself before I even thought about believing him. It sounds to me like something he would say just as a deflection. Or it could be true. But if it is true, I wouldn't believe it on Peters' word; he appears to be skilled at manipulating others, and may have wanted just this outcome.

Something to think about.

The CBS group is a group of people who basically don't care for Peters. If you were him, would you be comfortable with a group of people you thought hated you, having the personal addresses of loved ones?

I have to echo Hinman's statement: where I come from, people use PO boxes with street addresses when they register corporations, for exactly this reason.

That said, I feel like I can't get back the time I spent reading the last four pages of this thread. This whole discussion is totally unnecessary, as is the "investigation". The point of an investigative reporter (to me anyway) is to find something and bring it to light so it reaches public consciousness and can be either known of or dealt with.

This issue is already part of the public consciousness, is being dealt with, and CBS is most likely going to be doing a lot more investigating than the general public ever could.

As always, JMHO.

 

[Amaris]

For what it's worth, a number of people did try to discourage the post and point out that it had big bright stalkerish line-crossing red flags all over it, and those concerns were rejected by one of the moderators. I suspect that most of the people who saw it were not at all surprised to see that the entire group was dead a few hours later. I know I wasn't, although I am saddened to see it go. When it was good, it was very, very good. But when it wasn't...yikes.

I took it seriously, and I said that as long as it stayed on the questions side of things, it was still okay, but if it de-evolved into speculation and accusation, I'd have it closed. When I woke up today, the board had already been shut down.

 

[Mudd]

Also, April O'Neil was a reporter for Channel 6 news

She does porn now.

So I'm told.

 

[SuperSpaceMan]

I have to echo Hinman's statement: where I come from, people use PO boxes with street addresses when they register corporations, for exactly this reason.

That said, I feel like I can't get back the time I spent reading the last four pages of this thread. This whole discussion is totally unnecessary, as is the "investigation". The point of an investigative reporter (to me anyway) is to find something and bring it to light so it reaches public consciousness and can be either known of or dealt with.

This issue is already part of the public consciousness, is being dealt with, and CBS is most likely going to be doing a lot more investigating than the general public ever could.

As always, JMHO.

I understand, I also understand that in Florida you have to use a physical address, not a PO box to register, your corporation. So Yes, he could have contacted a company that holds physical addresses for PO Boxes, but that's an additional expense. He wasn't necessarily aiming for confidentiality, rather to establish a legal holding for the house to separate it from his personal finances.

Again, I have a 5 year old, and if someone decided to put the link to my property records in a Facebook group of 250 or so people, whom, the majority, were critical of me/my actions, I would have a personal problem with that, and I would do anything within my power to try to get those links off of Facebook.

I am willing to empathize with Peters in this situation, because decency...

 

[Ion]

Again, I have a 5 year old, and if someone decided to put the link to my property records in a Facebook group of 250 or so people, whom, the majority, were critical of me/my actions, I would have a personal problem with that, and I would do anything within my power to try to get those links off of Facebook.

I am willing to empathize with Peters in this situation, because decency...

And I'm not disagreeing with you, assuming that Peters is telling the truth there. But I'll circle back around: the whole thing never needed to happen in the first place.

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

She does porn now.

So I'm told.

Didn't get that - googled

As Uncle George would say, Oh myyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

 

[Lynsioux]

To be fair, if Alec Peters told me the sky was blue, I'd go check for myself before I even thought about believing him. It sounds to me like something he would say just as a deflection. Or it could be true. But if it is true, I wouldn't believe it on Peters' word; he appears to be skilled at manipulating others, and may have wanted just this outcome.

I told MH the story on the house (the same story as Alec) on that thread before Alec did. Independent corroboration from a sworn enemy of Alec. Why would he doubt it?

 

[muCephi]

Perhaps the point about the paper trail could have been made without actually making the address public, and I can understand pushback on the address in some form, given the crazies on the net. Its crap that the public comment environment is so degraded that one has to exercise such caution.

 

[Campe]

Exactly why I suggested redacting the records. I don't care if they're public information or not. There's a responsibility to people who are not involved in all of this to keep them out. And while I know my address is easily out there for someone to find, a lot of people won't go to the time and trouble of searching that out. Putting something like that on a PUBLIC Facebook group is (1) making it easily accessible to the masses and (2) enabling the crazies to do their thing. I'd like to say we live in a world where we don't have to worry about that stuff but we do.

 

[cultcross]

Doesn't really matter if the godson thing is true or not. It isn't sensible or ethical to post personal information on a public forum of that nature, the potential consequences are clearly foreseeable. On a 'public document' or not, fishing it out and putting that information into that environment served no purpose and potentially could lead to a nasty outcome. If fraud is suspected, report it in confidence to the appropriate authorities. A Facebook group full of memes and Downfall videos is not the appropriate medium - the risk of harm should be obvious. To then defend it as not even simply innocuous but actually the morally courageous thing to do is extraordinary. Peters may be delusional, pig headed, or whatever we want to call him, but he shouldn't have to worry about whether one of his more deranged haters is outside his house with lighter fluid.

 

[BillJ]

Exactly why I suggested redacting the records. I don't care if they're public information or not. There's a responsibility to people who are not involved in all of this to keep them out. And while I know my address is easily out there for someone to find, a lot of people won't go to the time and trouble of searching that out. Putting something like that on a PUBLIC Facebook group is (1) making it easily accessible to the masses and (2) enabling the crazies to do their thing. I'd like to say we live in a world where we don't have to worry about that stuff but we do.

I don't think Michael Hinman is a bad person. But he did take an irresponsible action by putting that out there. All, in my opinion.

 

[Campe]

I don't disagree with that in the slightest, Bill.