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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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Red Shirt said:
They are taking donations directly on their Axanar home page; credit cards and pay-pal.
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And as soon as I post this reply, what would have been my "donation" is going to buy me some Powerball tickets. The odds are getting something back are much higher at this point. :p

SuperSpaceMan said:
The Fauxumentry style was certainly innovative by Trek standards... *BUT* since the story was facilitated by a Narrator, and no actual on screen interaction, Prelude just stands to demonstrate the technical potential, not the writing, directing, or acting abilities.

Even then, with 100% CG sets, it doesn't even demonstrate the harder parts of the technical abilities needed to pull of a feature of this magnitude....
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Potential, like I said. Though I have wondered from the beginning if they have a good enough script for the dialog to survive actual interaction.

Speeches are easy, relatively speaking. :)
 
Squiggy said:
Eh, you could do that...but this is 2015 and not 1995. People's phones are always displaying something so they expect something in the FUTURE to be doing something at least as cool.
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If everything's gonna be constantly animating, then yes 100%. But those (admittedly temporary) TOS-style displays look very static. I was reminded of the Xhosa from DS9, which used backlit transparencies to recreate TOS graphics.
 
Therin of Andor said:
Didn't "ST II: The Wrath of Khan" already do that? No brownface makeup for Montalban, the blond Joachim replacing brunette Joaquin, and caucasian stripper dancers from the Chippendales as Khan's followers? ;)
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I don't think so since the character is played by the same actor, Montalban in both the show and the movie. It's not like they picked someone who looked very different even if Montalban and Cumberbatch are both European. With Montalban there might remain some racial ambiguity there, even without applied makeup, whereas there's no ambiguity where Cumberbatch's race is concerned. As for Khan's followers, from what I recall in "Space Seed" they appeared all white to me. So his lieutenants being white in TWOK was no stretch.
 
Maurice said:
Perhaps these are temps, but if they ARE indicative of the final look, then I think the sin here isn't the modernization per se so much that the controls are BLAND design wise. They are visually dull. [Zod]"No style at all."[/Zod]. They're not cinematically interesting. Also, I think iPhone interfaces are going to look hopelessly outdated in very short order. Furthermore, actors LOVE physical switches, in part because you don't have to look at them to see if your hands are actually touching the dammed supposed buttons.
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I said this early and I'l say it again. The Axanar set, including its flat panel graphics, smacks of John Iacovelli's production design style. Iacovelli, who worked on BABYLON 5, is AXANAR's set designer. And it shows.

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That frankly Lame-O-Matic™ script is what most puzzles me about the rabid enthusiasm for this thing. There's no there there. So why some people are so convinced this is going to be the Second Coming is a Mystery for the Ages... or at least for the moment.
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I saw nothing of STAR TREK in PRELUDE. At least, nothing of the TREK that Peters and Burnett are always going on about.
 
DarKush said:
As for Khan's followers, from what I recall in "Space Seed" they appeared all white to me. So his lieutenants being white in TWOK was no stretch.
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In Space Seed, Scotty said, "they're mixed types. Western, mid-European, Latin, Oriental."

Kor
 
Ryan Thomas Riddle said:
I said this early and I'l say it again. The Axanar set, including its flat panel graphics, smacks of John Iacovelli's production design style. Iacovelli, who worked on BABYLON 5, is AXANAR's set designer. And it shows.
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That's a really boring set.

Ryan Thomas Riddle said:
I saw nothing of STAR TREK in PRELUDE. At least, nothing of the TREK that Peters and Burnett are always going on about.
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I saw lots of CBS I.P. and NuBSG. :)
 
Ryan Thomas Riddle said:
I said this early and I'l say it again. The Axanar set, including its flat panel graphics, smacks of John Iacovelli's production design style. Iacovelli, who worked on BABYLON 5, is AXANAR's set designer. And it shows.

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I saw nothing of STAR TREK in PRELUDE. At least, nothing of the TREK that Peters and Burnett are always going on about.
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Agreed. The design aesthetic is not bad, per se, but it is likewise not at all the "Tru-Fan" Star Trek aesthetic Peters and Burnett were hocking to everyone every chance they got.
 
Ryan Thomas Riddle said:
I said this early and I'l say it again. The Axanar set, including its flat panel graphics, smacks of John Iacovelli's production design style. Iacovelli, who worked on BABYLON 5, is AXANAR's set designer. And it shows.

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I saw nothing of STAR TREK in PRELUDE. At least, nothing of the TREK that Peters and Burnett are always going on about.
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I said it before and I'll say it again: The bit of dialogue using ENT's idea of Andorians seeing all humans as 'pinkskins' (when humans are different shades) isn't Star Trek either. Too, the idea that we're having a woman called a 'bitch whore' isn't something we've seen in Star Trek either. (Granted, those terms 'pinkskin' and 'bitch whore' can be used properly in context between characters but nothing in the teaser looked as if the dialogue was going for anything other than shock value or 'look, we're different and edgy!')

Not too mention, as someone brought out, the teaser showed a lot of CGI battles and speeches. Something that was supposedly different from the Abrams films....and supposedly what the fans wanted.

Ion said:
And as soon as I post this reply, what would have been my "donation" is going to buy me some Powerball tickets. The odds are getting something back are much higher at this point. :p



Potential, like I said. Though I have wondered from the beginning if they have a good enough script for the dialog to survive actual interaction.

Speeches are easy, relatively speaking. :)
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At first I thought this post was saying the Axanar funds were used for Powerball tickets. I was like: "Whaaat?"

hahaha

And yes, I agree with Maurice: Good screenwriting is hard. It's easy (or fairly easy) to make a small trailer of things blowing up and small clips of larger speeches that may or may not be in the final product, it's another thing to actually have a story that doesn't fall flat (e.g. "Star Trek Gods and Men" and "Renegades" didn't that - screenwriting - too well either).
 
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To me, the hectic CGI battles and shakycam in "Prelude" looked way like more like the Abrams movies than any of the other hundreds of hours of Trek. So I really don't understand Axanar's snooty attitude toward JJTrek and saying that they have some kind of vision of "true Trek" that JJTrek is lacking. :confused:

Kor
 
I'd make a nice donation in exchange for seeing the script to "Axanar". But I'd hedge my donation by saying I get it back if the movie ends with a speech (probably given by Garth at a ceremony at war's end, maybe by April before the Enterprise sets out to become a ship of exploration and peace, not war) similar to Archer's in the series finale of ENT or Kirk's at the end of STID.
 
What's hilarious is how the majority of Axanar's most vocal supporters here have been largely nowhere to be seen since this lawsuit was filed against Peters. Going back and re-reading the old Axanar thread, it's amazing how many of them there were and how prolific they were at drowning out any opposition against the film. Compared to now, it's a veritable ghost town of Axanar supporters here! :lol:
 
Karzak said:
What's hilarious is how the majority of Axanar's most vocal supporters here have been largely nowhere to be seen since this lawsuit was filed against Peters. Going back and re-reading the old Axanar thread, it's amazing how many of them there were and how prolific they were at drowning out any opposition against the film. Compared to now, it's a veritable ghost town of Axanar supporters here! :lol:
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Nope, doesn't work like "Beetlejuice".
 
Maurice said:
How many people outside of the production proper have seen one?
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I doubt anyone has, nor should anyone, really. He has a right (so to speak) to keep it under wraps. The thing is, has there been much buzz for the script (or entire story) from those who have seen it?

After seeing the "Axanar" stuff out there (which is mostly visually nice, but it would be if you're more or less aping the style of the guy who directed ST09 and TFA), my guess is the story is pretty much a plodding mess, and I doubt the dialog crackles with energy. As they say, everyone may have one book (or screenplay) in them, but that doesn't mean it has to be a good one. Of course to be fair, I could be wrong. Still, I doubt it.
 
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