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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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oswriter said:
To paraphrase Dr. Pulaski on the subject of odds, "If you mean mathematically... Yes, the probability is not zero."
Honestly, I don't know why Axanar/Peters would want to proceed to discovery. Nothing that will come out is likely to help them. And the longer this drags out, the more time and money will be eaten up by the litigation process. Even if the judge turns down the studios' request for a preliminary injunction, I don't see how Axanar will be able to proceed with production on a feature while the lawsuit remains pending. Their fundraising has already been halted, and the longer this goes on, the more donors and staff will desert the project.
The most likely scenario, as I see it, is Axanar/Peters will file a motion to dismiss on fair use grounds. That motion gets denied. The studios get a preliminary injunction. Peters turns around and tells his donors, "Hey, I tried, but I can't justify continuing to spend YOUR money on a cause where I can't guarantee success." He surrenders and hopes he's done enough to dissuade any of the donors from suing him.
To answer one of your other questions, if I were one of the Does, I would certainly get my own lawyer.
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As long as there is money in the account, Peters will fight....
 
E-DUB said:
If you wanted an "ethnically appropriate" actor to play Khan, Naveen Andrews would have worked perfectly. But the casting of BP seems, in retrospect, a rather stupid bit of misdirection.
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Maybe, but Cumberbatch came with the recommendation of Spielberg...
Also wasn't Khan, Genetically altered and stuff, I mean would his skin tone, really matter, and/or need to match the ethnicity of his name?
 
Nerys Myk said:
Not seeing the problem with "Magic Blood"
1) Blood base therapies are a real thing.
2) Khan's miraculous recuperative abilities are established in "Space Seed".
3) The "Magic Blood" is established in Act One.
4) It's reiterated in Act Four.
5) Miracle cures are common place in Star Trek and rarely laid out as well.
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I've said it before (probably in this thread or one of the JJ bashing threads) - if the crew of the Enterprise actually remembered week to week the miracle cures or advancements in technology they discovered then there would be zero drama.

Aging? Cured it!
Warp 10 Limit? Passed it!
Turning into a salamander because you traveled faster than Warp 10? Cured that too!
De-evolving into a lizard? Cured it with babies!
Accidental first contact and need to remove the memories of said accidental first contact? Sure! We can do that!
Making life from nothing? We're Gods! We can do anything!

Why, the very meaning of life is something that can be run around like the Prime Directive - which was the infallible foundation of Starfleet except in the dozen-or-so times it was ignored or actively disobeyed in order to advance the plot.

Nerys Myk said:
Peters is playing like the Washington Generals.
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I think he's due!
 
dodge said:
Also, thousands of people die in ST ID, but "magic blood" is only used(or only works) on Kirk for some reason... it was a very cheap and poorly thought out cop-out.
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And a little girl. And a tribble. And as far as we know a thousand people who we didn't see because they aren't the main character in a film.

It was well thought out as these things go.
 
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Squiggy said:
I've said it before (probably in this thread or one of the JJ bashing threads) - if the crew of the Enterprise actually remembered week to week the miracle cures or advancements in technology they discovered then there would be zero drama.

Aging? Cured it!
Warp 10 Limit? Passed it!
Turning into a salamander because you traveled faster than Warp 10? Cured that too!
De-evolving into a lizard? Cured it with babies!
Accidental first contact and need to remove the memories of said accidental first contact? Sure! We can do that!
Making life from nothing? We're Gods! We can do anything!

Why, the very meaning of life is something that can be run around like the Prime Directive - which was the infallible foundation of Starfleet except in the dozen-or-so times it was ignored or actively disobeyed in order to advance the plot.



I think he's due!
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I don't know why you keep flogging this lame stuff so much?

As time progresses, we expect progress, we expect refinement. The same lacklustre stuff that was done on a shoestring yesteryear should no longer be acceptable. Although it isn't the same. Yesteryear, they often did their best to a tough episodic timeframe. Here JJ & his coterie had a budget and the authority but they just produced a lazily written film, crammed it with FX that appealed to the lowest common denominator.

So there's your difference.
 
Paradise City said:
I don't know why you keep flogging this lame stuff so much?
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When people stop brining it up, I'll stop debating it.

Paradise City said:
As time progresses, I expect progress, we expect refinement.
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FTFY. Although, I don't know why you expect refinement. You have absolutely zero reason to expect such a thing as it's never happened throughout the history of the franchise. TOS did it. TNG did it. DS9 did it. VOY did it. ENT did it. Nemesis was not at all more refined than TWOK and some would argue that TMP was the most "refined" movie of them all - not good mind you - just more refined.

Paradise City said:
The same lacklustre stuff that was done on a shoestring yesteryear should no longer be acceptable.
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Translation: I liked the ideas when they were on TV, or in a movie 30 years ago...but not now, because reasons.

Paradise City said:
Although it isn't the same.
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Translation: That's not Star Trek, except in the countless examples where it was Star Trek.

Paradise City said:
Yesteryear, they often did their best to a tough episodic timeframe.
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Translation: I like arbitrarily redefining what something is and complaining when it doesn't fit by new definition.

Paradise City said:
Here JJ & his coterie had a budget and the authority but they just produced a lazily written film, crammed it with FX that appealed to the lowest common denominator.
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Translation: This is the part where I shit on the "fans" who like nuTrek. MyTrek is better. I'm smarter and look down on you people.
 
Alec Peters: Hey! What's all this laying around stuff? Why are you all still laying around here for? Get the last of those Andorian Ice and House of Kharn's out for shipping!

Bill Hunt: What the hell are we supposed to do, ya moron? CBS is shutting us down. There's nothing to fight for anymore.

David Gerrold: [to Alec] Let it go. War's over, man. Zavin dropped the big one.

Alec: What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

Diana Kingsbury: [to Robert] Germans?

Robert Meyer Burnett: Forget it, he's rolling.

Alec: And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough...

[thinks hard of something to say]

Alec: The tough get goin'! Who's with me? Let's go!

[Alec runs out, alone; then returns]

Alec: What the fuck happened to the Axanar Productions I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? We were going to overthrow Paramount, and hand Star Trek back to its rightful owners... the fans. We could have put an end to this Jar Jar Abrams crap! This could have been the greatest night of our lives, but you're gonna let it be the worst. "Ooooh, we're afraid to go with you Alec, we might get named as one of the twenty John Doe's in the complaint." Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm a lawyer... Im' not gonna take this! I'll sue the shit out of Paramount!!! Zavin, he's a dead man! Moonves, dead! Abrams...

Robert: Dead! Alec's right. Psychotic... but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons, but that could take years and cost millions of crowdfunded dollars. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part!

Alec: And we're just the guys to do it.

David: [stands up] Yeah, I agree. Let's go get 'em. I'll write some tersely worded blogs that appeal to fan emotions, and their hatred of all things Paramount/CBS!

Robert: Let's do it.

Alec: [shouting] "Let's do it"!

[all of the Axanar "employees" stand up and run out with Alec]
 
Squiggy said:
When people stop brining it up, I'll stop debating it.


FTFY. Although, I don't know why you expect refinement. You have absolutely zero reason to expect such a thing as it's never happened throughout the history of the franchise. TOS did it. TNG did it. DS9 did it. VOY did it. ENT did it. Nemesis was not at all more refined than TWOK and some would argue that TMP was the most "refined" movie of them all - not good mind you - just more refined.


Translation: I liked the ideas when they were on TV, or in a movie 30 years ago...but not now, because reasons.


Translation: That's not Star Trek, except in the countless examples where it was Star Trek.


Translation: I like arbitrarily redefining what something is and complaining when it doesn't fit by new definition.


Translation: This is the part where I shit on the "fans" who like nuTrek. MyTrek is better. I'm smarter and look down on you people.
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Translation: I don't like what the home truths that the bad guy posted so let's erect some strawmen and "win the debate" against them.

I've always affirmed this was Star Trek. I've never once waivered in that view. Slating the film isn't slating the fans? Do you understand that?

I expect progress because I believe in progress. As time progresses, things improve , they don't stay the same. Nothing "arbitrary" (lol) about that. It's a modest expectation.

The guy had the resources in creative terms to do better. Instead he gave us lazy drivel like magic blood, cadet to captaining of the flag ship in a week, Scott-ja ja jinks pulled around in a transparent tube, Yosemite Marcus, Iceman Kahn and his family of 'tubes, all swamped with torturous migraine inducing FX. A mess. .
 
Paradise City said:
Translation: I don't like what the home truths that the bad guy posted so let's erect some strawmen and "win the debate" against them.

I've always affirmed this was Star Trek. I've never once waivered in that view. Slating the film isn't slating the fans? Do you understand that?

I expect progress because I believe in progress. As time progresses, things improve , they don't stay the same. Nothing "arbitrary" (lol) about that. It's a modest expectation.

The guy had the resources in creative terms to do better. Instead he gave us lazy drivel like magic blood, cadet to captaining of the flag ship in a week, Scott-ja ja jinks pulled around in a transparent tube, Yosemite Marcus, Iceman Kahn and his family of 'tubes, all swamped with torturous migraine inducing FX. A mess. .
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I hate it when Mom and Dad argue...........:D
 
Let me rephrase my earlier comment, which I now see could be taken as a knock on Cumberbatch's acting skills. Casting him as Khan was a mistake, making him a generic Trek baddie would have been a different story. In casting the core crew of NuTrek, efforts were made to match the physical type of the TOS crew as nearly as possible. In the cases of Quinto and Urban, almost scarily so. With Khan, however, that not only did not seem to be the case, but the giving of the character a "cover identity" seemed to compound what I referred to earlier as an act of misdirection. One, in this internet age, foredoomed to failure in any case.
 
So, the funny thing about this conversation (other than the fact it's been argued to death) is that there's a forum just for talking about Star Trek movies! In fact, there's two of them.

Let's talk the Axanar suit! You know, the defendants now only have a week from today to file their responsive pleadings?
 
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