CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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That's the scary part. I think the fans will blame CBS even though CBS is within their right.
That's the scary part. I think the fans will blame CBS even though CBS is within their right.
Fans of what, exactly? Fans of Axanar aren't going to like the new CBS series anyhow.
Yes, fans of Axanar. I doubt it will impact any of CBS/Paramount's projects or interest.
The Axanar fan reaction will be like the end of The Room where Tommy Wiseau trashes his apartment and the rest of the world is 100% indifferent.
Axanar fans that would act as such would be only a tiny subset of Trek fans---totally unnoticeable but for their volume of online complaining.
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I'm going to say it's even odds between no response at all, or something insanely grandiose that makes absolutely no sense and will probably only hurt them more.
Or they believed they could actually produce the product without CBS acting, air it, and it would be so wonderful that the publicity would raise them to a new level and they thought CBS would have to make a deal with them.
Honestly, I've said it before, I have no real idea what was going through their minds. They knew they were using CBS/Paramount IP. They even said on the crowdsourcing sites they knew CBS could ask them to stop. So maybe this was an attempt (accidentally or deliberately) to see how far they could push it.
I'm also beginning to believe that they became more overwhelmed by the project than they expected to be, partly because they got too much into the preproduction details and expanding the project beyond what may have really been its true original intent (just the movie).
I'm really starting to wonder that as well. His crack pro bono legal team may have told him to just take the hit and save the cash--nothing would shock me.
Well, it's like this:
The first fan films were pretty modest efforts - green screen or a few inexpensive sets, very low budget.
CBS/Paramount didn't object.
Projects became more ambitious and required more funding. The folks making them reached out on the Internet for help - volunteers and donations of materials/equipment or "gift cars" for places like Home Depot.
CBS/Paramount didn't object.
Crowdfunding happened. Fan films used it.
CBS/Paramount didn't object.
Now, I've known people working on New Voyages, Exeter, Farragut and other films and every time one of them either expanded or saw another group expand their, uh, "sphere of resources," it's been done cautiously and with some circumspection. "Where's the line?" has always been the question, more or less. Usually one group is the first to bump their production up a notch and when the others have seen that CBS/Paramount let them proceed without interference, then the other groups would follow suit.
The Axanar people weren't circumspect at all. The thing grew like topsy and they expanded operations so quickly that "where's the line?" seems to have given way to "They haven't stopped us yet, keep going, keep going!"
The first fan films were pretty modest efforts - green screen or a few inexpensive sets, very low budget.
CBS/Paramount didn't object.
Projects became more ambitious and required more funding. The folks making them reached out on the Internet for help - volunteers and donations of materials/equipment or "gift cars" for places like Home Depot.
CBS/Paramount didn't object.
Crowdfunding happened. Fan films used it.
CBS/Paramount didn't object.
Now, I've known people working on New Voyages, Exeter, Farragut and other films and every time one of them either expanded or saw another group expand their, uh, "sphere of resources," it's been done cautiously and with some circumspection. "Where's the line?" has always been the question, more or less. Usually one group is the first to bump their production up a notch and when the others have seen that CBS/Paramount let them proceed without interference, then the other groups would follow suit.
The Axanar people weren't circumspect at all. The thing grew like topsy and they expanded operations so quickly that "where's the line?" seems to have given way to "They haven't stopped us yet, keep going, keep going!"
To me it seems obvious there was never going to be a film. There's no sets. There's no one signed to actually act in the thing. And they were supposed to start filming next month? In effect, after a year and all that funding there's not even a glimmer of Axanar. All there is is a revamped studio and lots of plans to use it to make money. I think people need to stop giving Alec Peters, who has all the verbal grace of Donald Trump, the benefit of the doubt that he was doing anything on the up and up. This was a scam from the beginning.
They've made steady progress on the sets, though, and paying people to design and construct them has been one of their documented expenses. Thus far there's a bridge, at least one Klingon interior, a transporter room and crew quarters. Right now they're installing all the electronics on the bridge set. They're not doing nothing out there.
I'd say that in Urban's case, having a muscular build is a plus; it makes him being such a dogged practitioner of health make sense.
If the guy has a passport, new identity papers, a plastic surgeon and a sunny exile unfriendly to the US in mind, yeah, sure he's an out and out con artist.
But frankly he comes across as a highly strung entrepreneur who got lost in his project and thought his previous connections with CBS made him omnipotent. The guy is gonna get squashed. The only question is how many others are going to get squashed with him.
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