CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

[Amaris]

I'm starting to get the "paid plant" vibe from several people (in my direction). I don't know how much longer I'll be a member of the Axanar Fan Group, or as I like to call them "The First Church of the Holy Lord Garth."

 

[KennyB]

Just curious, how many (if any) of the other productions have turned their hobby into a full time job?

 

[KennyB]

I'm starting to get the "paid plant" vibe from several people (in my direction). I don't know how much longer I'll be a member of the Axanar Fan Group, or as I like to call them "The First Church of the Holy Lord Garth."

Well I think I've been shown the door because yesterday I mentioned I had been disappointed with the reactions on social media "from the top down". That was all I said, but you do not QUESTION GARTH!!!!!!!!!!!

Now when I try to go to the Fan Page it just redirects me back to my news feed.

 

[oswriter]

Just curious, how many (if any) of the other productions have turned their hobby into a full time job?

Not sure if it constitutes a full time job, but I hear one of the Starship Farragut guys evolved into a higher energy being.

 

[JoeRalat]

There are a lot of issues with they way productions has been done. The other fan films should not be brought into this about money, but they have a track record of films and final set construction.

I think the dream that would become a series (I would love to know if Alec talk to CBS about that and was that an issue for CBS)

The goal should have been to get a studio at a price that was good for them, and ready to shoot on. If not try to rent a space ready to build sets

Hell, I think the final graphics and stuff is still not ready for the bridge. Everything detail on the sets and studio should have been ready or near ready.

I understand what they wanted to do, they wanted to seem legit and not "FanFilm" because the stigma of slow production and things not feeling like a studio film.

The benefit (I am trying to be fair to Axanar) when you hire professional Crews and actors (You have to pay big)

What Alec did not understand all the other FanFilms took years to reach the goal of making a FanFilm in the professional way after trial and errors.

Most other fan films took the slow road, but they where able to get big name actors over the years and build relationships with people and build a family with the crews.

At the end it was a gamble, when you ask for that much money, do not be surprise that a studio went after them.

You had to know CBS would say something, also a annual report, why not a quarterly report, hell why not do an annual report for the public and a quarterly report for CBS.

 

[Maurice]

....even if they folded the company and returned every unspent penny.

Of course they can undo it. They can withdraw it from public circulation. That would cease the ongoing infringement.

SPOCK: By releasing a film onto the internet, you have, so to speak, removed the cork from the bottle and allowed the genie to escape.​

You know you can't "withdraw" anything from the internet, just as all the copies of deleted comments demonstrate . It's already been copied and downloaded who knows how many times. It's not going away, no matter what the Axanar people do. No "undo".

 

[Amaris]

I'm starting to get the "paid plant" vibe from several people (in my direction). I don't know how much longer I'll be a member of the Axanar Fan Group, or as I like to call them "The First Church of the Holy Lord Garth."

Well I think I've been shown the door because yesterday I mentioned I had been disappointed with the reactions on social media "from the top down". That was all I said, but you do not QUESTION GARTH!!!!!!!!!!!

Now when I try to go to the Fan Page it just redirects me back to my news feed.

So far I'm still there, even though some people keep telling me I stated my piece and I should be quiet.

A popular response is that CBS can't just close down every fan production, and my mind just wonders where people are getting this idea. Yes, yes they can.

I think part of the reason I'm still there is that I haven't directly addressed Alec himself. I talk to other people who are posting, but not in Alec's threads, because I know those are watched closely.

 

[USS Triumphant]

What's the difference between a light bulb and an Axanar donor?

You can unscrew a light bulb.

:ducks:

 

[Mudd]

Can we guess how long it will be until court procedings start or not? How will it work?

Paramount and CBS served the lawsuit on December 29. Axanar Productions and Peters have 21 days to file either an answer to the complaint or a motion to dismiss. I suspect they'll attempt the latter.

Within the next couple of weeks, we should see a motion from CBS and Paramount for a preliminary injunction to halt all production on the Axanar feature, as well as an order to pull distribution of Prelude and the four-minute Vulcan scene. Hard to say when the court will hear that but probably not before the end of this month at the earliest.

Being completely naive to the way the courts work, here - is there a real possibility that a judge will decline to issue a preliminary injunction and instead let the rest of the legal process role forward to trial, etc? Given the asymmetric distribution of resources here, Ares rolling video on their soundstage isn't going to do irremediable harm to CBS, but an injunction will stop Axanar in its tracks and as some have suggested essentially decide the matter in CBS's favor.

 

[Tom]

I think the urgency may be stopping them from continuing to take money from the fans. I'm sure CBS does not want to see more fans lose there money.

 

[Mudd]

I'm sure that CBS's decision-making isn't being driven by whether Axanar's supporters are throwing their money away.

Anyway, I was asking about what the judge might do rather than what CBS wants.

 

[nx1701g]

I'm sure that CBS's decision-making isn't being driven by whether Axanar's supporters are throwing their money away.

Anyway, I was asking about what the judge might do rather than what CBS wants.

Since CBS/Paramount own the rights to the franchise the judge is probably going to do exactly what they want up until the trial.

 

[Maurice]

It's also possible that a judge might issue the injunction to prevent Axanar from spending out all its money before damages can be assessed.

 

[Amaris]

One minute Axanar's a professional production with a superior product and CBS is just afraid of competition, the next minute Axanar's just like all the other fan productions and their stuff is as good as Axanar's so why isn't CBS going after them? Anything, *anything* to justify the hope that CBS isn't going to curb stomp Alec Peters.

 

[Tom]

It all depends on what they put in the motion for the injunction and if the Judge agrees with it.

 

[nx1701g]

Axanar Marines??

"The few, the proud, the unhinged..."

Should we alert Homeland Security?

 

[Karzak]

This transparency is what is actually hurting him here. While it is a good notion being transparent with the fans, something's should remain private. The other productions are not putting out annual reports. They get the money they need and actually film something.

Although Star Trek Continues has filed for tax-exempt, nonprofit status with the IRS. I've been looking over their filings, which are quite thorough and actually put Axanar's transparency to shame. I'll be posting on this, probably tomorrow.

Probably due to the fact that, unlike Alec Peters, Vic Mignogna has been a working actor and filmmaking/production professional for at least two decades and has more insight on what goes into working in the industry.

I am believing more and more that Paramount is the main driving force on this suit. CBS has been pretty accepting of Fan Films but when one of them (Axanar) starts to use copyright from the recent films that is total unacceptable to Paramount and hence the lawsuit. Of course the 'for profit studio' and crew salaries are a big trigger as well.

I think you may be right. The law firm that filed the complaint primarily works for Paramount, although they've handled CBS matters before as well. And Axanar is touting itself as a "feature film," after all, which treads directly on Paramount in a release year.

I agree. I doubt this has anything to do with the new series in 2017 and probably more to do with characters (Robau) designs (Kelvin) and what not from the Abrams films, which have been expressly and repeatedly identified as completely off limits for non Paramount-sanctioned content.

 

[urbandefault]

As far as I can tell, the writing is on the wall. Axanar is dead, it just hasn't laid down yet.

Anybody taking numbers on AP's next project? I'm betting on politics.

 

[Karzak]

Axanar Marines??

"The few, the proud, the unhinged..."

Should we alert Homeland Security?

Perhaps not. Maybe go to the TSA. (That's Trekkie Security Administration.)

 

[nx1701g]

^ I actually wonder if Paramount is more in pursuit of this than CBS at times.