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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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nx1701g said:
^ I actually wonder if Paramount is more in pursuit of this than CBS at times.
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Total speculation on my part but ... It may be that Peters feels so completely caught off guard because he did legitimately have meetings with people from CBS, but that the lawsuit is coming from people at Paramount he's never interacted with in any way, and because CBS and Paramount are partnered, CBS just has to (rightly) go along with it because Peters has rattled the wrong hornet's nest.
 
Karzak said:
nx1701g said:
^ I actually wonder if Paramount is more in pursuit of this than CBS at times.
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Total speculation on my part but ... It may be that Peters feels so completely caught off guard because he did legitimately have meetings with people from CBS, but that the lawsuit is coming from people at Paramount he's never interacted with in any way, and because CBS and Paramount are partnered, CBS just has to (rightly) go along with it because Peters has rattled the wrong hornet's nest.
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That makes a lot of sense to me since the 09 stuff is in Paramount's canon for the franchise and the unofficial rules say not to touch anything from those films.
 
Paramount needs CBS since some of the copyright infringements (Garth, Soval, others) are violations of the TV arm controlled by CBS perhaps?
 
Dennis said:
I'm sure that CBS's decision-making isn't being driven by whether Axanar's supporters are throwing their money away.

Anyway, I was asking about what the judge might do rather than what CBS wants.
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The first step is for the judge to determine if CBS and Paramount are "likely to succeed on the merits" of their copyright infringement claims. Assuming they do, then irreparable harm is presumed. So realistically, Axanar's only chance is to convince the judge they have a valid "fair use" case, which would defeat the "likely to succeed on the merits" part of the equation.
 
I'm going to stop trying to reason with some of these people. Every time I mention that CBS has a right to say stop, I get responses of "but they're not making a profit!"
 
Karzak said:
nx1701g said:
^ I actually wonder if Paramount is more in pursuit of this than CBS at times.
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Total speculation on my part but ... It may be that Peters feels so completely caught off guard because he did legitimately have meetings with people from CBS, but that the lawsuit is coming from people at Paramount he's never interacted with in any way, and because CBS and Paramount are partnered, CBS just has to (rightly) go along with it because Peters has rattled the wrong hornet's nest.
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I was thinking this also, but we just don't know if Alec met with CBS and how that went. Alec has always told me he talks with CBS all the time, but of course that is not proof.
 
Coloratura said:
I'm going to stop trying to reason with some of these people. Every time I mention that CBS has a right to say stop, I get responses of "but they're not making a profit!"
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As if that mattered... Hello, I'd like you to meet my friend, The Law. :D
 
I don't understand why people think a business dinner tab of 200 dollars is extraordinary.
 
Dennis said:
I don't understand why people think a business dinner tab of 200 dollars is extraordinary.
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It's not. But why would a non-commercial fan film need to spend money entertaining actors? It's one thing to pay for craft services during filming, but this suggests Peters is using Axanar as a personal expense account.
 
lurok said:
It's not even 'transparency', Tom. If those figures were sanctioned by an independent accountant/auditor, I might agree, but as submitted in the 'annual report', they could be as much a fiction as the script without receipts and paper trail.
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I think the numbers are legit. Why go to all the bother to itemize just to cook the books?
 
oswriter said:
Dennis said:
I don't understand why people think a business dinner tab of 200 dollars is extraordinary.
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It's not. But why would a non-commercial fan film need to spend money entertaining actors? It's one thing to pay for craft services during filming, but this suggests Peters is using Axanar as a personal expense account.
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Oh it absolutely suggests that. Peters probably even viewed it that way, as a means to woo Tony Todd and/or explain the character of Ramirez to him to try to convince him to join the project or elaborate on what Todd would be doing through the rest of the film. Devil's advocate: You think Harrison Ford signed on to The Force Awakens just because Disney wanted him to? Or because JJ Abrams wrote a script featuring Han Solo? Of course not -- Ford had to be wooed and convinced.

Let's not forget also that Peters is a Star Trek fan too, so it probably felt like a great "bragging rights" kind of thing too on top of everything else ("I had dinner with Kurn!" etc.)

Sometimes producers do take these kinds of meetings -- lunches, drinks, or dinners, etc. --- to make their case for why an actor or other production person should join a project. Happens all the time.

The big difference being of course that JJ Abrams had the Walt Disney Company and Lucasfilm, Ltd. and his own Bad Robot behind him.

Alec Peters had a Kickstarter fundraiser cashflow and a partially completed set on a warehouse in Valencia and a bad history of money management.
 
mos6507 said:
lurok said:
It's not even 'transparency', Tom. If those figures were sanctioned by an independent accountant/auditor, I might agree, but as submitted in the 'annual report', they could be as much a fiction as the script without receipts and paper trail.
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I think the numbers are legit. Why go to all the bother to itemize just to cook the books?
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I don't see it as a matter of cooking the books. I assume he's not fabricating numbers. But this is not a professional financial report. I handle accountings for probate estates and I would never submit a document that haphazard to a client, much less a court or other public body.

Axanar's reporting doesn't follow any standards. This perhaps speaks to Peters' shifting conception of what he's trying to do. If Axanar is a nonprofit organization, there's one set of standards you would follow in reporting finances. If he's raising startup capital for a for-profit enterprise, then there are also standards for that.
 
Karzak said:
oswriter said:
Dennis said:
I don't understand why people think a business dinner tab of 200 dollars is extraordinary.
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It's not. But why would a non-commercial fan film need to spend money entertaining actors? It's one thing to pay for craft services during filming, but this suggests Peters is using Axanar as a personal expense account.
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Oh it absolutely suggests that. Peters probably even viewed it that way, as a means to woo Tony Todd and/or explain the character of Ramirez to him to try to convince him to join the project or elaborate on what Todd would be doing through the rest of the film. Devil's advocate: You think Harrison Ford signed on to The Force Awakens just because Disney wanted him to? Or because JJ Abrams wrote a script featuring Han Solo? Of course not -- Ford had to be wooed and convinced.

Let's not forget also that Peters is a Star Trek fan too, so it probably felt like a great "bragging rights" kind of thing too on top of everything else ("I had dinner with Kurn!" etc.)

Sometimes producers do take these kinds of meetings -- lunches, drinks, or dinners, etc. --- to make their case for why an actor or other production person should join a project. Happens all the time.

The big difference being of course that JJ Abrams had the Walt Disney Company and Lucasfilm, Ltd. and his own Bad Robot behind him.

Alec Peters had a Kickstarter fundraiser cashflow and a partially completed set on a warehouse in Valencia and a bad history of money management.
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This.
 
Tom said:
I think the urgency may be stopping them from continuing to take money from the fans. I'm sure CBS does not want to see more fans lose there money.
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Really? Now we're attributing altruism to CBS when prior posts have disclaimed any possible altruistic courses of action?
 
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