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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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Long ago, a storm was heading for the city of Quin'lat. Everyone took protection within the walls except one man who remained outside. Kahless went to him and asked what he was doing. "I am not afraid," the man said. "I will not hide my face behind stone and mortar. I will stand before the wind and make it respect me." Kahless honored his choice and went back inside. The next day, the storm came, and the man was killed, as the wind does not respect a fool.
 
I would have so been in the "I Stand With Axanar" crowd if...

I was and even sent a single tweet including the hashtag; a tweet which will remain despite me not believing in what I said anymore... Yes fans saved Star Trek in the past and yes they have kept the spirit alive for fans this last decade but the general TV audience who may have watched Enterprise casually without considering themselves a Star Trek fan will have considered it dead an buried till the new movies came out.

Axanar is popular and gained a massive amount of funding from the fans but I would be interested in how many unique contributors to that pot there were. I come from a background of e-commerce sites, and even though Im a developer and not marketing I know that even though repeat business is important so is your unique traffic and conversions and from following their fan group I can remember numerous times where their sponsors said they donated multiple times during the same campaigns never mind during the different ones they ran.

What I am getting at is even if the faithful boycotted the franchise its a drop in the ocean for their revenue and in the end all that you do is risk (if enough people joined in) Star Trek's future. For any boycott to work you would have to firstly have enough general Star Trek fans (who like Axanar or not) to boycott but you would also need them to make up enough of the viewing audience of some of CBS' other showing like Big Bang Theory, 2 Broke Girls, CSI, NCIS and Five-0 to name 5 (which I either watch religiously or have done in the past and now dip in and out of) to make any kind of impact which is just never going to happen.

I now am squarely in the middle ground as personally I see where CBS' case is coming from but from my own selfish thoughts would love to see Axanar made (as its a story concept which has grabbed my attention) and do not want to see this escalate to other productions but what will happen will be down to whatever course of action CBS decide to do.

Whether that means Axanar and a number of other fan films are shut down or not we will see... If they do it will be interesting to see whether their supporters are true to their word and never watch an episode of Star Trek they do not already own on DVD/BluRay again to avoid paying CBS (which would include watching on a non CBS channel where available).
 
More from David Gerrold on the Axanar situation and lawsuit.

To be honest, it feels disingenuous, especially when he says he has no dog in the fight. He works as a consultant to the Axanar production, giving notes on the script. He "showruns" New Voyages. And Ares Studios had stated their intention to produce one of Gerrold's works.

I say that qualifies as having a dog in the fight.

So let me talk about the lawsuit against Axanar, by CBS and Paramount.
I will qualify my remarks by saying I have no dog in this particular fight, I am only a knowledgeable observer.

I've known several people in the Paramount legal department, most of whom were honorable. I also have known several fan film productions, most of whom were not only honorable but enthusiastic about Star Trek in a way that should embarrass some of the people who were paid to produce actual episodes of the series.

That said, I think the lawsuit was filed without sufficient consideration of the situation.
Fans have been making Star Trek fan films -- and crowdfunding them -- for fifteen years. There's Star Trek New Voyages, Star Trek Farragut, Star Trek Renegads, Star Trek Continues, and probably a few others I'm unaware of. These are all recreations of the original series, with fan actors playing Kirk, Spock, McCoy et al. These are all filmed on recreations of the original series bridge and corridors and other sets. They are filmed with replicas of props, costumes, makeup, and set design. They are such accurate recreations of the original series that bootleggers overseas have sold copies of the episodes as if they are the real thing.

All of the fan film productions operate under the same general guideline -- have fun, but you're not allowed to make a profit. So all of the fan film productions are freely available on YouTube.

Part of the reason so many professionals, like myself, have participated in fan productions is the desire to make and see more Star Trek. Those who were too young (or not born yet) to participate in the original series, have come to the fan productions as an opportunity to be a part of the magic.

All of this has to be seen as a measure of the kind of enthusiasm that Star Trek fans have and that should be available to any new Star Trek movie or TV series.
Now, Axanar -- Axanar is not a recreation of the original series. It's about a battle referred to in passing, in only one episode of the original series. It's about a minor character in one episode and how he became a Starfleet legend. It does not take place on the Enterprise. It does not use any of the characters of the original series. Its closest relationship to the original series is that it takes place in the same universe, many years before Kirk and Spock.

Now ... I am not a lawyer and I have not been approached by either side to function as either a consultant or an expert witness (although, if this ever goes to trial, I expect I will be called in) -- but, if Axanar represents an infringement on the copyrights of Paramount and CBS, then so does Star Trek New Voyages, Star Trek Farragut, Star Trek Renegades, and Star Trek Continues. And whoever else.

Based on the number of views that all these separate iterations have earned worldwide -- possibly more than a hundred million -- Paramount and CBS could file for damages of a billion dollars.

And the resulting fannish firestorm would go on for years.

As I have heard the story, the first New Voyages episode was a private adventure, never intended for internet distribution. But one of the participants did upload it to YouTube -- and shortly thereafter, James Cawley received a call from Paramount legal, the gist of which was: "Have fun, but don't sell tickets, don't sell copies, don't make a profit."
Now, that was smart, it recognized fannish enthusiasm -- but at the same time, it planted the seeds for today's situation, because it created a de facto license for all Star Trek fan films.

Which brings us to the lawsuit against Axanar. The lawyers have to prove two things:

1) That this fan film represents a significant usage of Paramount/CBS's property.
and

2) Axanar is a profit-making enterprise. (Ohell, it isn't even THE Enterprise.)
Both will be hard to prove, especially the latter, because of all the fan films, Axanar has been the most transparent with its fund-raising and its accounting.

There is a third point that would likely be made in such a court case:

If Axanar represents a threat to the copyright, why haven't Paramount and CBS taken steps to shut down New Voyages, Farragut, Renegades, and Continues? What makes Axanar different? What makes Axanar a threat?

Paramount/CBS's response would likely be that Axanar represents a professional level of production. Well, yes -- but so does New Voyages. (I can't speak for any of the others on that, although I do know that many professionals have been involved with Continues and Renegades.)

There is a way out of this mess -- and if people on all sides of this are smart -- it could be resolved in a matter of days.

Lucasfilm is the model. They created an award for fan films and even arranged licensing and distribution.

Paramount/CBS should do the same. There are people at CBS who would love to put out a DVD or Blu-ray distribution of Star Trek fan films, but have so far been unable to get approval for the idea. But it's a good idea. An official distribution of fan films would generate money for both the copyright owners and for the filmmakers to use in future efforts. The fan-films would be officially licensed as fan productions.

To make this work, the studio would have to hire a qualified liaison to work with various fan films to make sure that they follow appropriate guidelines and in return would receive the blessings of legal distribution and protection.

By keeping the fan films in a specific licensed venue, a kind of voluntary garden, Paramount and CBS would benefit from the good publicity of being seen to promote and foster great fan efforts -- the fans would benefit from having a specific legal venue for their individual productions.

Yes, there would be a lot of paperwork to be settled -- and I expect the cooperation of various Guilds might be necessary as well -- but the goal here is to produce a win-win situation for everyone, but especially for the fans.

Because if it weren't for the fans and their loyalty for the past 49 years, there wouldn't have been a franchise in the first place.

Feel free to share.

Source: https://www.facebook.com/david.gerrold/posts/10207078851342040?fref=nf
 
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I don't get these people saying that Axanar is true to Roddenberry's original vision of Star Trek. It's almost like Errand of Mercy never happened. Don't remember TOS being about a full blown war either. It was more of a Federation-Klingon cold war, wasn't it?
 
I don't get these people saying that Axanar is true to Roddenberry's original vision of Star Trek. It's almost like Errand of Mercy never happened. Don't remember TOS being about a full blown war either. It was more of a Federation-Klingon cold war, wasn't it?

Axanar isn't true to the so-called Roddenberry vision. It's nuBSG dressed in STAR TREK drag.
 
Gerrold is more out of touch than Zicree!

And, of course he has a dog in this fight. He's the "show runner" on New Voyages (which has collaborated with Peters and Axanar, both in the past, and recently). He's a credited "creative consultant" to Axanar. Peters has optioned material from Gerrold with the intent to produce it at Ares Studios. And he's co-writing a TNG Making of book with Marc Cushman, who is also supposed to be writing a making of book about Axanar (and who's second These Are The Voyages Kickstarter was run by Axanar).
 
Re Gene's vision: Axanar is based on FASA RPG lore. And does everyone remember what Gene did to FASA? Hint: there's no FASA RPG any more.
 
Their Indiegogo fund is going up, so people are donating. Quick! More coal in the boiler! By damn we'll hit that iceberg a week early if we try!
 
Gerrold is more out of touch than Zicree!

And, of course he has a dog in this fight. He's the "show runner" on New Voyages (which has collaborated with Peters and Axanar, both in the past, and recently). He's a credited "creative consultant" to Axanar. Peters has optioned material from Gerrold with the intent to produce it at Ares Studios. And he's co-writing a TNG Making of book with Marc Cushman, who is also supposed to be writing a making of book about Axanar (and who's second These Are The Voyages Kickstarter was run by Axanar).

Exactly.

And that writers such as Gerrold and Zicree don't see the copyright violations here boggles the mind.
 
People need to stop saying, "But Star Wars does it". Has anyone looked at the rules for Star Wars fan films? The time limit is 5 minutes and no union members are allowed to contribute. "Axanar" wouldn't pass that test.

Neil

Pretty strict rules there...


Re Gene's vision: Axanar is based on FASA RPG lore. And does everyone remember what Gene did to FASA? Hint: there's no FASA RPG any more.

Wouldn't that have been Paramount?
 
As for licensing fan productions to create an unofficial expanded universe that will never and should never happen as it really does dilute your source material

I don't think CBS/Paramount will try to meet fans half-way, but your argument that fan-films are only negative due to dilution of brand is contradicted by the volume of ancillary story material that has and continues to come out legitimately--through books (or comics).

Trek books are really just curated fan-fic, IMHO, and usually not curated that carefully, due to the various tangents that continuity has gone, usually self-contradicting. Why does this persist? Because it's an established tradition that goes back decades, before the internet even existed, and fans know what they're dealing with in Trek books.

We'll never see a USS Titan TV series, despite all attempts to make one, but there's a USS Titan book series. There's also a Captain Sulu adventure for those who wanted George to have his series with the Excelsior.

Also, Richard Hatch, who couldn't get his Second Coming to materialize, still managed to write officially licensed Battlestar books.

Bill Mumy couldn't get his LiS reunion going, but did manage to write for a legitimate comic series.

It's not that much of a stretch that franchise owners could start to sanction fan-films as sort of a 21st century of book EUs, as this would reflect the changes in technology that are shifting creative expression more and more away from words and into visuals in general.

Do I think they will? No. This is purely a thought experiment on my part. But at the same time, I don't subscribe to the idea that it would be bad business or bad for the brand to do something along these lines.
 
Zicree's post ignores an obvious point. Lucas didn't have to allow Star Wars fan films; that was his prerogative, not a moral or legal obligation. Maybe Lucas figured he could better control it by acknowledging it, but that was how he chose to act. By no means was he establishing any sort of binding precedent.
It's probably also worth noting the Star Wars fan film contests were solely for comedic works only; more serious minded Star Wars fan films were not allowed to participate.

And well, parody is one thing CBS isn't going after.

I don't think CBS/Paramount will try to meet fans half-way, but your argument that fan-films are only negative due to dilution of brand is contradicted by the volume of ancillary story material that has and continues to come out legitimately--through books (or comics).
The big difference is those happen through books and comics. No one is going to mistake a Star Trek novel for a Star Trek TV show.
 
One of the reasons people need to be calling out these people is because they seem to either have no understanding of the law, or even worse are deliberately trying to work fans up against CBS.

Let alone seem utterly unaware (or again are deliberately misleading Trek fans) of the business practices of Axanar Productions and Ares studios.

seriously I think the best thing people can do, and this absolutely includes other fan production is to very publicly state hoe what Axanar is doing is not how your productions are done. And I would do it on every site that I found that mentions this.

I have managed to change a few people's opinion on a few smaller sites, who were completely surprised by some of thee actions of Axanar Productions.

I absolutely wouldn't be staying silent if I wanted to stay in productions. i would be extremely vocal about showing to the fans and to the general public that my production is not run like Axanar's.
 
So if he is credited on the Axanar roster does that mean he could potentially be one of those 20 un-unamed defendants (which I am guessing they left unknown so they could work out exactly who needs to be gone after later and its probably easier to add new names to a previously unpublished list)?

Outside of the risks to future fan films in general the one thing which is concerning me is people being dragged into this who did work earlier on and those who do not and have not directly made anything from this like Sean Tourangeau who designed the Ares purely as a fan and for the love of designing Star Trek art (and a fine ship she is), or the various Trek podcasts which have hosted Axanar cast and crew for interviews etc etc (Trek FM and Trek Yards spring to mind). I haven't seen any comment from or about Tobias who has obviously been doing the FX work for Axanar as well as some other fanfilms (and before anyone argues the name dropping gives CBS more ammunition they will know all this from spending half an hour Googling the Axanar, Alec Peters etc).

I guess a more apt hashtag than #istandwithaxanar or #istandwithcbs would be either #istandwithstartrek or #istandwithstartrekfans as whatever happens in the coming months it is going to be some of the fans who get hurt and I hope only indirectly and not those who have contributed directly to these productions or simply like designing Star Ships and posting them to their Deviant Art page or forum of choice.
 
More from David Gerrold on the Axanar situation and lawsuit.

To be honest, it feels disingenuous, especially when he says he has no dog in the fight. He works as a consultant to the Axanar production, giving notes on the script. He "showruns" New Voyages. And Ares Studios had stated their intention to do something with one of Gerrold's works.

I think that qualifies as having a dog in the fight.

Edited out Mr. Gerrold's remarks to save space. See Ryan Thomas Riddle's original post.

Mr. Gerrold needs to read this thread. Folks have done a damn fine job knocking down every one of his points and debunking his legal logic. If nothing else, I would think the point would be that even if Axanar is not a profit-making venture, it is still using "Star Trek" IP as a vehicle (hook) to raising money to become a profit making venture in the future.

The space for the new studios, Ares Studios, was leased with Kickstart money. Mr. Peters says it will be used for further "Star Trek" projects, other sci-fi projects, and for the projects from David Gerrold stories they bought the rights to.

Link to story on their own website:
http://www.axanarproductions.com/ares-studios-launches/
 
Re Gene's vision: Axanar is based on FASA RPG lore. And does everyone remember what Gene did to FASA? Hint: there's no FASA RPG any more.

Wouldn't that have been Paramount?

FASA had a licence from Paramount. When Gene returned to Trek with TNG, he wasn't happy with some of the war game/militaristic stuff FASA was doing. ISTR that they overstepped the bounds of their licence by doing a couple of TNG-related books as well. At any rate, they very quickly no longer had a licence, and what I've read strongly suggests it was Roddenberry (or Richard Arnold) who was behind that, and that publications like the starship combat simulator were a major contributing factor.

Trek books are really just curated fan-fic, IMHO, and usually not curated that carefully, due to the various tangents that continuity has gone, usually self-contradicting.

You're muddying the waters with this one. The whole point of the Axanar mess is that they don't have a licence. Star Trek tie-ins are written by professionals working within a legally structured framework involving editors and licencing people. You may not like their less rigid approach to continuity, but they are in no way fanfic.
 
I just responded to a guy who said he couldn't wait for CBS to be under oath, explaining why their work doesn't look as good as Axanar. I tried to explain to him that his subjective idea of "what looks good" isn't going to have any bearing at all in testimony, at least not on CBS. I explained that if anyone will have to explain themselves, it's Axanar, since CBS is the one who filed the lawsuit.

I'm hoping I get through to him. I'm trying to stress to these people that this isn't a Kirk vs Picard nerd fight, this is very real, and very serious for Axanar.

Oh, I forgot to add, I did get added to the Axanar fan group, and I am very much playing inside the rules. I'm being polite in my dissent, and explaining that I'm an Axanar fan, too, just dispirited with what has happened, and that is the truth.
 
Zicree's post ignores an obvious point. Lucas didn't have to allow Star Wars fan films; that was his prerogative, not a moral or legal obligation. Maybe Lucas figured he could better control it by acknowledging it, but that was how he chose to act. By no means was he establishing any sort of binding precedent.

Lucas did it his way, and CBS/ Paramount are doing theirs', and they don't have to be the same. Besides, since Lucas doesn't own Star Wars anymore, it doesn't matter anymore how he did it.

More to the point, if someone had set up an entire film studio 10 miles down the road from LucasFilm and raised $1 million promising to make a "real Star Wars" film the same year "Revenge of the Sith" came out, I suspect Mr. Lucas would not have been so permissive.

I wouldn't doubt it. If I were Lucas, I would close it down.
 
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