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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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Little boys, all.

Sexist.

Yes, Star Trek's OJ trial.

A combination of Alec's PR people and CBS's fumbles will result in stupendously bad oversights regarding evidence, the media sending mixed messages to the public, juries and witnesses being contaminated beyond any potential address, ultimately concluding with a dozen ruined careers, traumatised loved ones, and a multi-murderer walking free?

:eek:
 
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New defense filings on Monday rebutting plaintiffs' opposition to dismissal.
Ugh.
So childish. "But you SAIIDDDDD we could go to the park" "No, I said we could go to the park if you ate all your vegatables. You haven't so we are not going to the park" "But you SAIDDDDDD we could go to the park!"

Ranahan is using the most ridiculous defenses of all time, ignoring legal precedent, and stridently repeating herself whilst cherry picking comments in an attempt to impress the judge.

"Cases argued in this circuit are super way more relevant that ones argued elsewhere"

"SEEE... they AGREE with me (in part) ...throw out the case"
 
Ranahan is using the most ridiculous defenses of all time, ignoring legal precedent, and stridently repeating herself whilst cherry picking comments in an attempt to impress the judge.

"Cases argued in this circuit are super way more relevant that ones argued elsewhere"

"SEEE... they AGREE with me (in part) ...throw out the case"


Great way to start off a career..........
 
Schoolyard politics.

Before I came here today, I was thinking about mentioning how this Axanar thing has become a poisonous industry - dedicated legal blogs serving ads and so forth - surrounding a polluted stream, consuming the swill. I was thinking of invoking the term 'mob mentality.' I thought better of it until I ran into the above post.

Little boys, all.

There are a number of very accurate, highly effective challenges to Axanar's management conduct which are known. These points will be a powerful part of resolving the IP infringement and getting back donors their money if that is at all possible.

Outside of the closed quarters of the studios legal teams, it seems likely those arguments were often first clearly expressed here. This forum has likely had a significant impact on the thinking of the players in this case, both in court and in other discussion venues. Even the high powered legal teams probably have picked up specifics for their case here, unless they really have interns combing through everything ever said or done by Axanar management.

Say what you will about ads being part of the web ecosphere, or critical excesses being part of forums. Simply pointing to them and characterizing the pointed Axanar observations with the same brush misses the real significance of this and other forums that affect the case.

And really, not that I defend "swill" anywhere, but if you are going to characterize it, I personally think you should be inclusive. If you feel "little boys" fits here, then surely "abusive mind manipulating million dollar diverting law defying judge mocking a**" fits Axanar management. I mean, the reaction is surely less than the original conduct. Just look at the small excerpt list of abuses posted by Mr. Peters to his own forum, itemized only a page ago. That stuff is unbelievable, and is not a bar joke.

I don't want the personal jibes here either, but the Spaceballs that is Axanar management surely merits an appreciative cheering on as the humor arises.
 
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From the CBSvAx Facebook page, here's Alec explicitly stating he's not using a warehouse:

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Because he's an idiot and the Internet never forgets.
 
Yeah, she has shown a real talent for obfuscation.

Yes, but to be truly professional at it I think she needs to make arguments which are ludicrous, but which still retain enough plausibility in some specific light that they must be given full legal benefit of the doubt. This defense looks more like throw the cereal box at the wall and see if anything sticks. Or, as others have posited, simply buying time and the arguments are throw-away. This is just preliminary filings. Maybe precedent setting arguments are to follow... but so is discovery...
 
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From the CBSvAx Facebook page, here's Alec explicitly stating he's not using a warehouse:

ybi1AsJ.jpg


Because he's an idiot and the Internet never forgets.

To be fair to Alec (blech!), Prelude to Axanar wasn't shot in their current facility — they rented space on a sound stage (which they should have done for the feature).
 
Schoolyard politics.

Before I came here today, I was thinking about mentioning how this Axanar thing has become a poisonous industry - dedicated legal blogs serving ads and so forth - surrounding a polluted stream, consuming the swill. I was thinking of invoking the term 'mob mentality.' I thought better of it until I ran into the above post.

Little boys, all.
Rubbish.

Sure, there's plenty of snark in here, which makes this thread like every other comment thread on the interwebs. But there's been plenty of actual, reasoned discussion here as well. Go ahead and lump the good and the bad together, because THAT is so mature.
 
STAR TREKA Crowdfunded 'Trek' Movie Shoots for the Stars

Yahoo Movies
August 18, 2014
..."It’s also one of the few that’s been officially sanctioned by the franchise’s overlords at CBS; Peters has said that he secured permission from the network to move forward, with the understanding that he wouldn’t attempt to profit personally from the production." (emphasis added.)https://www.yahoo.com/movies/a-crowdfunded-star-trek-movie-blastsoff-95130989527.html

"He got permission from CBS representatives to go ahead with "Star Trek: The Battle of Axanar" ...... (The movie is allowed to proceed as long as the filmmakers do not make a profit.)"https://www.yahoo.com/news/star-trek-axanar-fan-film-warps-beyond-crowdfunding-112618147.html?ref=gs
Very interesting. I hope they are secured from being disappeared. Although - can these two articles be reasonably challenged with success as hearsay? I could totally be off base here but the Yahoo movie article does not appear to me to be an interview but rather a sort of compilation information for a write-up - with the part about 'he got permission' attributed to the space.com article. The space.com article does not put quotes around the line either even though other portions are indicated by quotes. Is the space.com article itself also compilation of elsewhere found information instead of an interview? Might this information just be being past from internet article to internet article without adequate substantiation? Could the author of either or both articles be approach about this?
 
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Making jokes about a breathtakingly unethical production and (self-professed) public figure is not "schoolyard politics." Even the "snark" in this thread has reasonable boundaries. For instance, when someone commented on Rob Burnett's weight, they were rightfully called out. When people were casting tasteless aspersions on Alec's potential private life, they were rightfully called out.

This thread balances detailed analysis with healthy gallows humor about the petty, ludicrous actions of an individual/production that screamed for attention at the top of his lungs. It's quite juvenile to reduce scrutiny and commentary to "little boys, all." Alec has made vicious attacks against, and even threatened, many people. That we would be instructed to sit quietly throughout his perpetration of misdeeds is beyond reason.
 
Hearsay is when an unsworn statement is used to prove the veracity of the statement itself. E. g. I'm not sworn right now and I tell you I am married. This is a fact, yes, but it's technically hearsay under the law.

A better use for these statements is to show a pattern of contradictory statements.
 
Hearsay is when an unsworn statement is used to prove the veracity of the statement itself. E. g. I'm not sworn right now and I tell you I am married. This is a fact, yes, but it's technically hearsay under the law.

A better use for these statements is to show a pattern of contradictory statements.
Which can be used to show that other claims ("The Film is not finished") made are likely to not be solidly based in fact.
 
The recent Captains Log post in the main site is most bizarre. If I didn't trust Alec Peters and everything he does I'd think he'd done a cut and paste job on a previous post, like from last year some time. He mentions feeding his ex-girlfriends cat (perfectly feasible, I guess, if they parted on good terms but still..) then onto how busy Diana is stuffing envelopes for donors before explaining how hard Burnett is working on the Origins DVD (form an orderly queue for that one).

Hats off to the fella for slipping in a picture of the warehouse without the 'Ares Studios' bit of photoshopping on it. In some ways I do admire him. When he does stuff like that he knows full well what he's doing, we know full well what he's doing and he knows full well that we know full well, too.
 
The blog seems to be offline now, but it was interesting to read earlier.

Why would Paramount contact heads of fan productions (especially Alec) to tell them how worried Paramount was about their upcoming movie (assuming such was the case)? To get them to drum up support? Support from someone who has hated the reboot movies so vocally? HA!! Delusional, indeed, that Alec still thinks himself a taste-setter in Star Trek circles...
Is Paramount worried about the performance of Star Trek: Beyond? You bet. But NOT because of competition from Star Trek fan films (ST:PII, ST:C, Horizon, Axanar, etc.); but because they spent around $150 million on the film - and like ANY film, they hope to make that money back, and then some. Welcome to Hollywood - it's what Hollywood studio Execs do; they WORRY about Box Office returns for ANY tentpole film release (before, during, and after release.)

I be surprised if someone at Paramount said they weren't worried. This is such a load of BS - implying that somehow Paramount is worried Axanar could somehow 'show up' Star Trek: Beyond. As always, the delusion is STRONG with Alec Peters.
 
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