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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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PhaserLightShow said:
No, I don't think the fans own Star Trek. But, @CaptGrumpy, if it wasn't for the fans, C/P wouldn't make any money from Star Trek. The fans are what drive Star Trek. No fans, no show. Star Trek is FOR the fans.
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I don't think Star Trek is "for the fans" nor do I think that the fans "drive Star Trek." There just aren't enough fans out there to make Star Trek profitable when compared to the other major franchises in existence right now. Instead, C/P are interested in appealing to the broadest audience possible. Nevertheless, being a fan does not entitle someone to infringe on copyright nor does it excuse the behavior. C/P are very generous to allow fan works--particularly fan works that require crowdfunding campaigns. It's a good compromise between the official works that keep Star Trek profitable and fan works that allow fans to explore what they want to see. It's just too bad a small group of people had to try and exploit C/P's generosity and goodwill.
 
I've asked Axanerds that same question I did above, here with @PhaserLightShow and all over Facebook. Nobody anywhere has answered it. Why not? I can only assume it's because they all realise they're in the wrong.

Axanar looked like it might have been cool, but the ends do not justify the means. If you want to make fanfic, do it for free like everyone else. If you want to be paid to make Star Trek like the Axanar people do, and CBS and Paramount say no, suck it up and find another dream. Being a fan of something doesn't make it okay to steal it.
 
CaptGrumpy said:
and B) I consider myself Real Star Trek fan, having been one since the '70's, and he didn't speak for me.
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I disagree with this baseless and manufactured statement that they speak for the entire fan base, as a fan I don't give a flying toss about Garth of Izar or Axanar.

Truth be told I want a proper conclusion for Enterprise and how the conflict with the Romulans creates the foundation for the birth of the Federation as was touched on in Season 4 but I'm never going to get it :sigh:
 
MickJo1701 said:
Truth be told I want a proper conclusion for Enterprise and how the conflict with the Romulans creates the foundation for the birth of the Federation as was touched on in Season 4 but I'm never going to get it :sigh:
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Oh, you will, just as surely as you have gotten all this retreading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Real_Housewives#International_installments

there's a faint chance you will even see SGU's seed ship again, given the mobius strip studios explore for ideas these days :rofl:
 
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PhaserLightShow said:
No, I don't think the fans own Star Trek. But, @CaptGrumpy, if it wasn't for the fans, C/P wouldn't make any money from Star Trek. The fans are what drive Star Trek. No fans, no show. Star Trek is FOR the fans.
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To which I reply... SO WHAT?

Star Trek still belongs to CBS and Paramount, and NOT to Alec Peters, Richard Hatch, Gary Graham, Rob Burnett, Diana, New Diana, or the goddamn cat.

Don't make the mistake either that the very vocal minority of fandom that is raging on Axanar's side of this is anywhere near an accurate or true sampling or representation of Star Trek fandom as a whole, either. CBS/Paramount shutting down Alec Peters and his vanity film is not going to do any harm to the franchise at all. By the time this is all over, Axanar is going to be a smooshed mosquito on the windshield of the space shuttle in mid-flight.
 
Karzak said:
To which I reply... SO WHAT?

Star Trek still belongs to CBS and Paramount, and NOT to Alec Peters, Richard Hatch, Gary Graham, Rob Burnett, Diana, New Diana, or the goddamn cat.

Don't make the mistake either that the very vocal minority of fandom that is raging on Axanar's side of this is anywhere near an accurate or true sampling or representation of Star Trek fandom as a whole, either. CBS/Paramount shutting down Alec Peters and his vanity film is not going to do any harm to the franchise at all. By the time this is all over, Axanar is going to be a smooshed mosquito on the windshield of the space shuttle in mid-flight.
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well, you would at least then have to give that mosquito credit for going where no mosquito has gone before :techman:
 
PhaserLightShow said:
Somethimg that wasn't delivered because of CBS. If they hadn't sued, the fans would have gotten their money's worth in a good fan series and it wouldn't have been false promises. But CBS made it a false promise. It wouldn't have been, if not for CBS.
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No, real life doesn't work that way.

I can promise to pick up a date in a Ferrari, even though I don't own one. All I have to do is steal one!

Then the fucking dealership decided to press charges for "grand theft auto". Thanks dealership. You ruined my date!

See? The dealership didn't do anything wrong. I'm the one who made a promise my ass couldn't cash.
 
PhaserLightShow said:
Somethimg that wasn't delivered because of CBS. If they hadn't sued, the fans would have gotten their money's worth in a good fan series and it wouldn't have been false promises. But CBS made it a false promise. It wouldn't have been, if not for CBS.
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They had hundreds of thousands of dollars, and a year in their studio/warehouse before the suit. They didn't make their movie.

That's really the crux of the matter, They had more resources than any fan film and spent thier time on social media, traveling to conventions, building an overly elaborate playground and didn't make they movie. It's like a kid who spends his time making an awesome poster for his presentation and never gets to to his essay.
 
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So some concept of it is propagating out to the wider fan base, and its not the Axanar mandated lockstep. That's good.

Wonder where the pro bono people are coming out on developments. Sure seems like a lot of wet concrete/plaster roof sagging and cracking above them at the moment.
 
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PhaserLightShow said:
No, I don't think the fans own Star Trek. But, @CaptGrumpy, if it wasn't for the fans, C/P wouldn't make any money from Star Trek. The fans are what drive Star Trek. No fans, no show. Star Trek is FOR the fans.
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Coke is for the soda drinker, but the soda drinker can't make some other company a valid for-profit seller of Coke just by giving that other firm startup money and saying, we want Coke from you too.

Really, it looks like Axanar collected startup money, not fan film money.
 
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Squiggy said:
No, real life doesn't work that way.

I can promise to pick up a date in a Ferrari, even though I don't own one. All I have to do is steal one!

Then the fucking dealership decided to press charges for "grand theft auto". Thanks dealership. You ruined my date!

See? The dealership didn't do anything wrong. I'm the one who made a promise my ass couldn't cash.
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now now, don't go all Axanar on it and talk just about the date, instead of the car... :guffaw:

[no criticism :beer: ]
 
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