CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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That's true. The timing could be coincidental. They may never even have considered the implications of designing the Constitution class in response to the D7. Or, they may have addressed it head on. I suppose unless someone gets a final version of the script, we'll never know.
So the @StarTrekAxanar Twitter account blocked the @AxaMonitor Twitter account.
The more and more they block/shut people out (including ones who strive to report on just the facts/remain unbiased), the more they seem like they're creating a cult-like commune. Not exactly the route to take if you have a rational desire to be taken seriously at some point.
I always thought it would be interesting if the Federation lost the early conflicts with the likes of the Romulans because their ships weren't built for war.
They weren't warships. Starfleet was not a military force.
Even DS9, when it came to the Dominion storyline, was more about how an idyllic near-utopian society dealt with a sustained conflict against a vile adversary that did not share its ideals. Its why the nature of Section 31 was so appalling. It's why the things that they had to do to survive resonated with the audience. As much as people might gripe about DS9 devolving into a dumbed-down war movies, the action to me simply served to underscore the commentary on war, the moral lessons, the social implications and the effect it has on the human condition. DS9 told a war story, but one with a soul.
So I think I find it peculiar that Axanar and their fans think of this thing as "True Trek" when it's just action schlock with psuedo gritty, "grounded-in-reality" wanna-be Battlestar dialog and story beats, with no trace of humanity or heart.
They weren't warships. Starfleet was not a military force.
Even DS9, when it came to the Dominion storyline, was more about how an idyllic near-utopian society dealt with a sustained conflict against a vile adversary that did not share its ideals. Its why the nature of Section 31 was so appalling. It's why the things that they had to do to survive resonated with the audience. As much as people might gripe about DS9 devolving into a dumbed-down war movies, the action to me simply served to underscore the commentary on war, the moral lessons, the social implications and the effect it has on the human condition. DS9 told a war story, but one with a soul.
So I think I find it peculiar that Axanar and their fans think of this thing as "True Trek" when it's just action schlock with psuedo gritty, "grounded-in-reality" wanna-be Battlestar dialog and story beats, with no trace of humanity or heart.
Starfleet was always a military force. They didn't put those big ass phase cannons on the NX-01 to shoo mosquitoes away.
I don't think they know how Twitter works because if you logged out, you can read everything they wrote.
So the @StarTrekAxanar Twitter account blocked the @AxaMonitor Twitter account. I guess ours was a doomed Forbidden Love™.
And yet Captain Archer confided misgivings about having "the military" onboard in the form of the MACOS early in the Xindi arc.
I file that in the same trash can as Picard's "we're not the military" in "Peak Performance" and Scotty's same misgivings in Star Trek Into Darkness.
The Federation does not build warships, per se. Starfleet is made up of scientific exploration vessels that have weapons designed for defense.
As far as the Klingons are concerned though, the USS Enterprise is a "Federation Battle Cruiser".
As far as the Klingons are concerned though, the USS Enterprise is a "Federation Battle Cruiser".
Axanar, the final lawsuit
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These are the mistakes of the fanboy Peters
His great con
To seek Out New lies and sources of crowdfunding
To confrontationally go
Where no law suit has gone, before
I always thought that Starfleet assumed the Federation's military requirements, but more along the lines of the Coast Guard vs the Navy. The Navy is a fighting force, while the Coast Guard is responsible for much more than fighting. Search and rescue, for example.
So Starfleet vessels are equipped for a variety of missions, be it combat or research or whatever. They're not pure warships (well, the Defiant maybe) just as they're not pure science ships. Even the Orbeth class had weapons, while the Enterprise E had science labs.
*if this offends any Navy or Coast Guard members, it's through ignorance, not malice.
So Starfleet vessels are equipped for a variety of missions, be it combat or research or whatever. They're not pure warships (well, the Defiant maybe) just as they're not pure science ships. Even the Orbeth class had weapons, while the Enterprise E had science labs.
*if this offends any Navy or Coast Guard members, it's through ignorance, not malice.
The Defiant class was an Escort Vessel
As on-screen continuity that you don't like?
They keep saying it, so it's not an error. They mean it.
I don't like the fact that Star Trek treats Cartesian dualism as if it has a phenomenological or scientific basis. It's preposterous, but I can't do anything about it.
This is a reasonable analogy, except that the U.S. Coast Guard is considered one of the five U.S. armed services. There are two additional uniformed, non-military services. They are the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and the U.S. Commissioned Corps of The Public Health Service.
They may keep saying it, but it doesn't match up with what we actually see Starfleet do in the various TV shows and movies.
When there are conflicting ideas, I go with the one that makes sense.
Defiant seemed to be as close as the Federation ever came to building a pure combat vessel. I'm not sure what they mean by escort vessel, beyond the fact that Star Trek Online portrays them as the fighters, vs the cruisers and science ships.
Apparently writers of The Best Star Trek Script "Ever" will still be working on it each and every day to make it better during the filming of Axanar because Robert Meyer Burnett saw Bryan Singer did it on his professional independent Superman Returns fan film project.
That's right you Haters, Axanar is the Superman Returns of Star Trek.
To be fair, what Burnett is saying is true. Scripts are often fiddled with during shooting. Happened all the time on TOS.
However, this just feels like Burnett doing another one of his subtle "name drops" because he worked on SUPERMAN RETURNS filming the behind-the-scenes featurettes.
This is a comment on the whole thread of trying to dissect "Starfleet" civilian vs. military. Its a formulation by Hollywood writers. Perhaps some of the writers have some military experience, and perhaps they have gotten some military advice, but essentially, like the tektek, the main rational thread holding it together is to advance the plot. It has to be a mishmash of concepts to have a weapon ready when the plot requires it, a simplified human relationship structure to create dramatic tension and move the plot forward, a projection of a familiar past onto a really unknowable future of relating to other species, future automation, and yet bring families along (??), be doing 'research' (that never actually discovers anything), etc. Looking for the "real" meaning inside of it is like looking for the concepts underlying the plot point that everyone speaks English. Its a McGuffin, Imo.
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